[jayinhongkong]

http://www.sportsci.org/news/compeat/fat.html

It appears swimmers do use more glycogen vs. fat than runners...but there is no conclusive evidence for why swimmers tend to have higher body fat than runners, even when they both burn a similar number of calories. There definitely is a difference in body fat levels, however.

[TDG]

Still no one know where i can buy these weights?

[gt1]

Originally Posted by TDG

Still no one know where i can buy these weights?

Hahahaha....that post made me laugh !!!

I think we all missed the point here fellas!

Sorry TDG...for what its worth i haven't got a scooby doo where you can buy weights....but as suggested earlier, id join up to a gym instead!

[gt1]

Originally Posted by dropdedfwed

interesting thread...

i'm no expert here, but I think a few generalisations have been made. on the whole the advice has been great, but a few things...

CV exercise will not necessarily burn muscle. it is much better at burning fat as the aerobic metabolism utilises fat as an energy source far, far better than anaerobic. anaerobic activity (such as weight/resistance training) will burn muscle glycogen, then muscle. this is why you need to eat a good amount of carbs and high protein foods especially after a work out - to replace the energy deficit before too much catabolism takes place, and to restock the muscle glycogen. any energy floating around after that goes into tissue repair (in this case, muscle hypertrophy), then anything excess then goes into fat. in saying that, if you do not eat enough food after (and during) aerobic exercise, the body WILL catabolise muscle in order to get energy to repair muscle and replenish glycogen reserves used in the exercise. so, yes, CV exercise has the potential to burn more protein and energy than resistance training, but if you're replacing the energy efficiently, it should not burn muscle.

to gain muscle requires a HUGE amount of energy. having a little fat reserves will help you, as once the fat is mobilised, it will be a handy energy source for muscle building. just bear in mind, the reason you build muscle is because you are pushing muscles beyond their current capacity. this "damages" them, and in recovering, they also grow bigger, to cope with the new loads.

another important thing is which muscle fibres you train, and your genetic make up. essentially there are 2 muscle fibre types, called fast twitch (for strength, anaerobic work - the ones that arnie worked on) and slow twitch (endurance/aerobic fibres). to grow muscle you want to train the fast twitch fibres. the guys on this thread have already told you how above (low repititions, high weight/resistance). some people have a high ratio of fast twitch fibres, so they bulk up comparitavely easier than other people.

as far as protein intake goes, you'd be suprised how little you need. you need good quality protein sources with all essential amino acids, but you dont need more than 1.5g/kg bodyweight. in fact, from memory endurance athletes have a heavier protein demand than weight trainers. don't be sucked in by magic dietry supplements. listen to guys who train, not the guy in the shop. nothing beats a good balanced diet and some wise training. but don't forget, as your body is building up the muscle fibres, it needs all the essential amino acids, otherwise it has no so-called "muscle builiding blocks" - if you don't have the right proteins, your body cannot build muscle.

also very important, as already mentioned by the guys that are in the know, form is important, and building up from a basic light weight but lifting it correctly is much safer and much more profitable than jumping straight into hurling big weights around incorrectly, causing damage and building little muscle

hope i haven't confused things too much, or said too much crap. good luck have fun.

AWESOME POST!!

Hit the nail bang on the head here! ...but you can see why id advise not to do CV if one is trying to bulk?

Dropdedfwed: Did you do Bsc sports science?
I always try and drink a glucose/dextrose drink straight after my WO to replenish my lost glycogen levels. This also forces an insulin spike, thus creating an anabolic condition...this is the peak time for protein/supplements intake.

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[dropdedfwed]

Originally Posted by TDG

Still no one know where i can buy these weights?

yeah sorry mate

i have seen dumbells around... i know places like jusco have a limited selection, generally of fixed weight dumbells, no bigger than 8kg. I can't for the life of me remember where i saw a dumbell set with weight plates. there are a few sports stores worth checking out, one in pacific place - central or capital sports or something like that, and a couple others you'll stumble across. marathon sports etc are not work looking at, unless you want fash-trash joggers.

one thing to consider is it is not just the weights you need - to use them for your chest etc you need to have a bench or pilates ball to lay down on - this takes up too much room when not in use, which is why it is probably better for you to try out a gym to begin with, and take it from there.

if you really want to grab some dumbells, it will take some shopping to find the weights. sorry i can't tell you much about where to get them, but when i have seen them i haven't made a mental note as i wasn't looking for them - was actually looking for good joggers and swimming goggles at the time

good luck...

gt1 - no sports science degree, but i did sleep through a some nutrition/biochemistry lectures as an undergrad, many moons ago. this sort of stuff is more of a hobby now, which is why it is now of interest to me. and yup, i do agree CV exercise not optimum for weight gain.

DDF

[MR.LAM]

"heh, that's what I was told in high school by the PE teachers. Might be BS but it definitely applies to other mammals like whales (blubber!)"

I think thats more to do with conserving heat

[jayinhongkong]

Yeah that's one of the reasons people think swimming limits bodyfat loss...heat conservation....

[dropdedfwed]

One more thing TDG - don't be put off by all this talk about supplements and lifestyle changes - this is for pretty serious guys who want to have bigger than "natural" physique. for you to attain a more sizeable, toned physique, especially at your age, just eat a well balanced/healthy diet withlots of carbohydrates and proteins... and eat lots of it. none of this would be new to a guy of your age anyway i ate my parents broke when i was 17.

hit the gym for 1hr 3 times a week, and you will notice a big difference. just be diligent, but don't become obsessed with it all. it's all fun, and great for your confidence, especially at your age.

Jay - interesting link, thanks ... will do some reading on it later (in all my spare time).

cheers,

DDF

[TDG]

I just feel very intimidated at the gym and i really just want to work my arms, right now, so i wouldnt mind just having weights at home.

Is 8KG good enough then? Should i start light and get heavier or just get heavy ones?

[jayinhongkong]

get the heaviest ones with removable plates that u can get...that way u can keep adding weight as you get stronger