[neither3nor4]

The original poster wasn't asking for opinions about marriage, nor was he asking you to give him advice about his decision. All he was asking for was facts about HK immigration.

Immigration will want to see photos. You will need to prove to them that your marriage is not one of convenience. They will probably want to see letters and emails too. Your sponsor will also need to show that she can support you financially. She will need to show bills in her name, bank book records, accommodation details, etc.

You already have plenty advice about marriage. Even if you are married, a visa may not follow. It is also important to consider that you probably will not always want to live in HK. At that point, your marriage may become a burden and a complication to you.

[BenderBends]

Originally Posted by GOODMAN

I have nohting against gay people just so long they keep their life style to themselves and not to push it upon me. But I do think and I used to work with many gay men that their life style is risky and the only thing that matters to them is fun and sex; at least the one that I knew....

now now goodman.....you are obviously a blazin homophobe....

he is not pushing it on you...he is hiding it....and that what you want? you want people who are different than you to hide who they are cause it doesnt follow your pathetic views on life? people like you make me sick...take offense. society will crumble if this type of crap continues. people should be proud of who they are. white people used to say that type of crap about blacks...and about everyone else....and then those people are forced to struggle their way up to being lower equals....

and you think ALL gay people are irresponsible and think about sex and fun only? lol .... sex and fun are top priorities of nearly every living thing on the planet... we are all the same...its just pathetic people who think that if they dont like it a certain way....then it should be condemned... and gays do fit into society unnoticed when they want to because they dont push it in your face....you are just too scared of being tempted that you subconciously watch for it......

[BenderBends]

oh....and to add one more thing....

what if we asked that you keep your lifestyle to yourself, and not to push it other's faces? that would mean you need to take all romantic context out of movies and books and no holding hands in the street and kissing in public...etc etc etc

that sound like a good idea?

btw....im not gay myself, i just stand up for human equality....i dont believe anyone should be dropped lower because they choose to like or look a certain way...

[GOODMAN]

As we Chinese say " Good medicine will taste bitter". Perhaps it is a proper metaphor to use here. One thing I must point out; right or wrong is a matter of perspective. Being a heterosexual male or female for that matter, our view is different than those of you with mixed preferences.
Even straight people have different views toward marriage. For some, it’s a game. When they get tired of the spouse, they just simply get a divorce and find another one to remarry. For a man, alimony will ruin what little he might have left of his life! Child support will definitely kill him financially. You said you eventually want to have children with your girl. My question is; for what purpose. You children will be growing up more confused than the both of you as far as sexual orientation is concerned. Since both of you are living a promiscuous life style; it won’t be for the best interest to even consider having children in my opinion. I personally have a friend who got married 3 times in a span of 10 years. The sad thing is, he just got divorce for the third. Now he’s got child support and alimony to make (times 3). My goodness!

[GOODMAN]

Oh, Matt, Easy! I will say it again. I have nothing against gay people. I think you took it out of context. Yes, I said it in my thread because in San Francisco, they tried to push gay marriage and had succeeded and now they are trying to push gay life style in our school, that’s what I mean by “pushing it upon me”. If I made you sick with my comments, I can’t help you; just as much as the liberals make me sick. I don’t have a clue where you are from but based on your thread, I have an idea. I heard the term “tolerance” over and over again and I think it’s misused by people with liberal views This is how our society going down the tube because we tolerated so much crap. I don’t mean to start a political and social debate here which are not my interest. I am just rebutting your comment. I apologize if my comment offended some of you.

[GOODMAN]

Pathetic ? How interesting. Long ago when movies were invented, only man and woman would be shown in a romantic scene and may I remind you; it still is. That's besides the point. My point is ; our social acceptance of indecency and immorality has gotten to a point that everything is a norm. As a traditional society, we must have a moral and social standard but the some people will twist it around and make this standard " discrimination". Would you like a paroled criminal living next to you house ? If not ,why ? YOu can't discriminate him! your arguement is definetly twisted. My life style is very healthy,Thank you very much! To infer that I have a subconscious curiosity of exploring the gay life style, I have no doubt now you are definetely a "liberal" because they can twist and distort things out of context.
I love sex with women and my DNA is 100% male. For the aske of this forum, I will debate you no futher and I took no offense form your comments.

Originally Posted by mattstewart

oh....and to add one more thing....

what if we asked that you keep your lifestyle to yourself, and not to push it other's faces? that would mean you need to take all romantic context out of movies and books and no holding hands in the street and kissing in public...etc etc etc

that sound like a good idea?

btw....im not gay myself, i just stand up for human equality....i dont believe anyone should be dropped lower because they choose to like or look a certain way...

[shirleythien]

One point for Goodman. I am on his side of this. Matt, no offense nor to any people out there. But we are talking about logic not just about human equality.

[BenderBends]

you wish not to debate perhaps cause you are at a loss. Im not a liberal....and I wonder why where Im from matters.

films nowadays are starting to show gay couples and gay marriages and gay societal struggles.

you are a complete hypocrite to say that it doesnt bother you if they hide it from you. And to compare a gay person being open about his sexuality to a person who has committed a crime just further reveals your struggle to accept your hatred.

You are defining the "norm" based on what has been the "norm" for so long due to people shunning it and putting it down. Yet since the beginning of time there have been many discoveries of great historical men sleeping with other young men.

If this was widely accepted, then there wouldnt be any notice or attention on them for being who they are. Instead, everyone concentrates on them wanting gay marriage, gay lifestyle, gay rights.....ughh how dare they. To imagine that a non-straight white male get human rights.

I used blacks, or for that matter women as well, as reference do to their struggles for human rights and equality. There was a time when women were not allowed to be in theater, so men wore wigs and pretended. There was a time when blacks were not allowed in media, so whites painted skin black. There was a time when a women was not allowed to work, but only stay home and cook and clean because that was the "norm". So are you saying we should have stayed that way? Should we not have given the women and blacks a right to vote? a right to live their own life?

I have not skewed any of your comments. I have just shed light on the fact that you are basically saying they should not be proud of themselves because you don't like who they are. Well....sadly you are not gonna like everyone. But because you don't like it, doesn't mean they should be denied their human rights.

So now I wonder how deep your feelings are? Can they hold hands in public? Can they kiss in public? Can they dine together in public? Should they be allowed to vote? should they be allowed to parent? Should they be allowed to go to the same schools, or use the same bathrooms or same water fountains? Do you still think that gay sex is the only way to get AIDS (something from the 80's)? Should we let them get married? Where do you draw the line for what should be accepted of these lower than thou people?
Would it be OK if they bought your criminal on paroles house next door? Would it be OK if they replaced your pedophile priests in the churches? Would it be OK for them to handle your money at the bank? Should they all be branded on the forehead so we can identify them easier so we know who to stay away from? Do you still think that all gay men are pedophiles?

[BenderBends]

Originally Posted by shirleythien

One point for Goodman. I am on his side of this. Matt, no offense nor to any people out there. But we are talking about logic not just about human equality.

im sorry, i must have missed that "one good point" of his....which point was it again?

so we should not accept that they should be given human rights just as you and me...but we should shut them down because our society is becoming too accepting of "different" people? this is your logic?

[jimbo]

Matt

Calm down this exessive ranting is not doing any favours to anyone, At this rate this thread is going to be locked as its totally changed direction from the original topic.

I don't agree with what suiko is doing as he is marrying to 'defraud' immigration and thats just not right, I'm also a non i.d card holder and am currently here on a tourist visa and will be applying for a work visa when I finish my studies so I'm applying for residency via the proper channels of the 7 year continous residency rule, not by jumping the queue and going through a marriage of convenience.

And please ignore my previous comment as I've since changed my stance on this issue.