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Old 03-10-2005, 12:19 AM
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Hi all, I'm new here, I found the discussions here pretty interesting as I go through them

Currently I'm feeling completely lost as to my career path. I'm in a software house in HK, having worked with them for 5 years now (3 years part time while studying + 2 years full time.) I started out as a developer, however in the past year and a half I've had less and less chance to touch code, and now I haven't touched any code in my job for at least 6 months. Rather, I've been travelling around the world attending meetings, and even chairing meetings, and writing documents. The closest word I've heard that describes what I do is "ambassador".

However this is not what I want to do. I want to move back to a software development position. Should I go look for another job? Would it be hard to get a job since I'm so out of touch with the software development world?

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Old 03-10-2005, 10:32 AM
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Perhaps you should talk with your supervisor on your career path? I studied computer science and I really didn't want to do software development all day. Is this what you want to do? I believe that alot of these developer positions will be outsourced to China or India. Maybe your supervisor is preparing you for a team leader role?
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Old 03-10-2005, 10:44 AM
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No, what I meant was I would like to stay in somewhere related to software development, perhaps in a supervisory role; however I have no idea of what I'm doing right now. There's no "meaning" to what I do, if you know what I mean...

As for moving up the ladder within this company, I pretty much report to the CEO directly already...
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Old 03-10-2005, 11:21 AM
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It's not an easy question - depends on you, the company, and so on. I worked in two software companies (well, one pure software, and the software division of another) and never made it far past the 'grunt' level, but I know that some of my more senior colleagues were also frustrated at being kept away from the day-to-day design/coding work by internal politics, meetings, travel and so on. I never really got senior enough - talking large companies - for it to be an issue for me; in fact, I welcomed the travel I got And now, while I am still coding, it's in a very different environment - writing stuff for internal use in a non-computer company.

So, it depends on what you want. If you think it would be productive, there's always the option of being honest with your boss, even blunt if you've got what it takes to pull it off. Just tell him (guessing it's a him) that you're not happy with your current situation, you don't particularly want to leave the company, but if the work you want isn't made available, you'll be forced to look elsewhere to see if other companies can offer it. That may be a 2-part conversation - firstly that you're unhappy and want to be closer to the code, secondly that you may be able to find what you want elsewhere... I had a conversation like that a few years ago with my (then-)manager - the stuff I was working on, while easy, was boring, unchallenging, and had no opportunity for growth, either in skills or in professional levels, but I knew there was a new project starting up with some hardcore stuff, which I'd done some of the early planning/design for, and I pretty much told him that if I didn't get put on that project, I was going to walk. While the code didn't ship before the whole team was laid off earlier this year, and probably never will ship, I ended up working on it for almost 2 years, learning a lot, and, well, I was the guy demonstrating it to the public and the press last summer So it could be worth a go...

Alternatively, if you want to be coding, and keeping your skills toned for the future, I recommend picking one or more open source projects and getting involved. There are (tens of? hundreds of?) thousands out there, in every language and on every platform under the sun, and the vast majority would welcome someone with some experience coding/designing and some enthusiasm to help them out. And I can tell you, from having been involved in hiring at my last company, that in that situation at least, it was considered almost as good as commercial experience - so someone who hadn't been coding at their day job, but had been working on open source stuff, wsan't thought of as someone who would be rusty at all.

Speaking of day jobs, this got long...
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Old 03-10-2005, 09:46 PM
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Um... without actually disclosing who I am, let's just say I am one of the more well known persons among the Hong Kong open source community, well at least well known within the older group ... and I actually am working for a local open source company. Oops, I might just have given away enough details for some of you to know who I am...

It's just that I have no time to work on open source projects at all nowadays.

Anyway, good that you mentioned travel as well, the travel bit is really getting to me -- I spend only a bit more than half of my time this year in Hong Kong, the rest everywhere -- the US, Japan, China, Korea, Australia, Europe, the Indian subcontinent. And I'm trying to maintain a relationship in Hong Kong. I would say this is a major reason why I want to go elsewhere; I don't want to leave Hong Kong for, like, 3 weeks at a time.

As for talking to my boss, let's just say I know him well enough (I've worked under him pretty much since the founding of the company) that I know I wouldn't get anywhere if I stay.
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Oops

Reading back what I wrote, I now realized how egotistic I sounded. Oops! Thank you all for the advice!t
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Old 07-10-2005, 07:11 AM
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>> I am one of the more well known persons among the Hong Kong open source community

Get out of Hong Kong if you want to remain in development. HK is a consumer of IT and services and not an innovator or creator.

You're also dealing with a rather immature marketspace here and will have little opportunity to move between companies or test out new career paths.
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Old 07-10-2005, 11:30 AM
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That much I know. I'm anticipating that I'll have to move back to Melbourne if I want to remain anywhere near development; even CTOs are not respected in HK.

Time for a career change perhaps. The government is hiring AOs again...
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