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Article 23: Did anyone else march??

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Old 02-07-2003, 12:53 AM
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Article 23: Did anyone else march??

I'm so very proud of HK. estimates are at 400000 strong. And boy, did it look like it!

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There were kids, walking, being carried, in prams… there were folks in wheelchairs....

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Don’t know what this guy was doing – he had a red flag and kept yelling something.

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It was blisteringly hot. I had my trusty gym bottle with me…
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These two guys kept yelling “Freedom Freedom” and getting the crowd going. It was great!

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I was sooooooooo proud of HK!

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Old 02-07-2003, 02:11 AM
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Wish I was around ... did walk down Sathorn road in BKK.
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Old 02-07-2003, 08:14 AM
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I wonder whether they'll listen to us. They're already making excuses for the turnout. The inventor of this legislation (forgot his name) said that opposing factions had "politicized" the issue very successfully, and Regina Ip said (even before the march) that the turn out would be high because it was a holiday and this was an "activity" for people.

I had already intended to walk, but my determination was increased because of this. I have tons of things to do, holiday or not, but this was more important.

I wish I'd made a banner. Still it was good.

Later on in the evening we went to the Fringe Club to watch William Tang's last show in Hong Kong before he leaves for the UK. Blues. Our bassist played with him. It was brilliant stuff. What a thrill to watch fantastic musicians in action.

all in all, a wonderful day!
cheers
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Old 02-07-2003, 07:17 PM
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An unforgettable Experience

Yeah, Debbie has pretty much keyed(and captured) in the mood of the day, 1st of July 2003, which will definitely go as a bigtime hightlight into the history of Hong Kong (if not school history books).

I reached Admiralty MTR station to join a bunch of friends who had come al the way from Tai Po. We could not enter the MTR from there as the stations are not designed for such HUGE protests. 4 trains passed by but we were so far that even smelling the train was difficult.

An enlightened being amongst us suggested going to Sheung Wan (where Island line starts) and taking the train from there.

It worked. Once at Fortress Hill, it took us a while to snake our way out of the station. Thats when we started our "walk",as one of my friend writes back in a mail today morning........

"............. it was hot
and steamy and skin rubbing skin, our hearts were one.
it was god damn hot 33 degrees outside with the sun
shone directly above our heads, and for every 10
seconds of slow motion, we had to halt for another 20
minutes, but no one let out a single sound of
complaint or whine, and that includes the 5 year olds,
the toddlers, 70 year olds with a walking stick, and
the yellow head mongkok gangs, not to mention the many
groups of high school kids who came on their own with
the support of their teachers and parents. more than
half a million people protesting in absolute grace and
abstinence.

the streets were a lingering giant black dragon and it
danced for eight hours straight. there's truly no
beginning and ending to this cosmic vibe. hong kong is
such a lovely and humane place.

those who said we were indifferent and heartless
probably wished so that they can do whatever they want
to exploit us, but we showed them color! power to the
people, and what faith in humanity!......................"

We stopped short of climbing up the hill at HSBC in central and went for dinner.

A totally unforgetable event and experience .
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Old 03-07-2003, 07:36 AM
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What a bunch of crap. Hong Kong has forgotten about the march and is back to normal.

Listen... everyone turned into a hippie for a day or two and redeemed themselves / paid for their sins over the last few years. Now, its time to get back to work and try and con a few more people out of a few more dollars. Got to make a living you know.

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Oh I get it , this is an extension of the BH week which started with the SS [soggy sandwich]

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Nice pics pumpkin, I alas did not attend, while fully supporting the sentiments of the marchers, I had supposedly more pressing matters at hand.When it finally dawned on me that nothing else was really that important, the sun had set, on that glorius day. I think there were 10 like me for every one like you, so if Ol Tung doesn't wake up soon he is going to see a 5 million strong contingent on the 9th.

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There was no coverage of the march on the mainland press, wonder what they did about satellite tv?
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Hi Abhi, great that you could be there! Really, we were pretty choked up at how many people were there. And everyone smiling at each other and returning smiles. I asked people questions and they answered!

Hi Kachumber! Yeah, I'm getting ready for the next protest. I hope it is 5 million! This time I'll bring a banner. If you think of it half a million - 7% of HK is significant by anybody's standards. And that kind of turnout for a largely apathetic society is fantastic.

Shri - yer jes pretending. Underneath it all yer a big softeeeeee!

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Old 03-07-2003, 11:12 AM
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Seriously, it has nothing to with being a softee it has more to do with being a realist.

I was particularly irked by the discription that Hong Kong is a lovely and human place. That is a bunch of feel good adrenaline driven post march junk.

While people are marching about Artcile 23, HK has some fundamental anti-trust problems and fiscal problems which none of these people would march in support for.

Here's the deal. Would even 10% of the marchers be willing to take a 5% sales tax if the govt were to say (and yes, it is a naive and hypothetical suggestion) that we will concentrate on solving Hong Kong's fiscal problems for the next 2 years instead of digressing into article 23 related issues.

By the way, the UK has far more draconian laws dealing with national secrets and if you looking back into history dealing with the IRA and colonial interest.

How many of the marchers would have marched against the Patriot Act in support of the poor citizens of the United states who lost so many privleges err .. rights as citizens.

Face it ... was a good hike for the people concerned. Was a good party at the Fringe and elsewhere .. copious amounts of post-march booze was consumed and some great pictures were taken. Now the folks in Hong Kong feel that they're first-world citizens ... they've joined the ranks of the protestors who've had their 15 minutes of fame on CNN.

From a marketing point of view .. what was the objective of the march? Change China's stance on Article 23? Regime change in Hong Kong? Or a feel good "i've walked on fire" Anthony Robbins style motivation for the folks? Were they achived?

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"HK has some fundamental anti-trust problems and fiscal problems which none of these people would march in support for."

That is precisely why I feel this march is so significant. There were a number of things in the past that HK could've marched for, besides the fiscal:

- the right of abode overturning by China
- the big spender issue
- domestic helper tax (which I had signed up to march against, cept it got cancelled because of SARS).

I'm hoping that this new awareness will spread itself to other causes. You have to admit, this is a milestone. And people will get more militant if their voices are not heard. I'm not prepared to dismiss the day so easily, but you may be right. We shall see what transpires next week, 9th.

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....and you do a survey of the "photographs taken" , you will find the banner, placards etc. opposing govt all those policies (u mentioned) , FAR outnumbering the ones with Article 23.

Had you been there, you would have noticed that the majority echoed "Tung - Step Down", "Tung - We are Fed Up", "Tung - Eat Shit" (not to mention policy ridiculing) most of the time.

So even if article 23 was the triggering event, this was more of a general thingy.

and Shri, I am sure walking in scorching heat and humidity etc. is not HK's way of a day out.

P.S. - I see an ad of Asiaxpat Shanghai (Taipei) on the left as I write this. M&A's in the offing ?
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