[hk.com]

Originally Posted by belleliu

I'm not sure how some small companies can still sell email hosting service for a premium ...

For starters, by not going down as frequently than Google Apps does.

If you want a full lesson, speak to Boris, my agent, he is pimping me out now by the hour.

Originally Posted by gilleshk

Any mail server administrator can read any emails, it can make for entertaining reading

Your interest in reading other peoples mail is shared by many, it is also why many people should not be mail admins. It is that sort of attitude is why management of companies should outsource their email so that their IT staff don't have their fingers in everything.

Large/listed companies have these great policies of "we have to run it in house because we are big" only to have their IT staff leak information or sell the backsups.

Ethically reading other peoples email is very wrong, unless you are the business owner.

[gilleshk]

Originally Posted by hk.com

For starters, by not going down as frequently than Google Apps does.

If you want a full lesson, speak to Boris, my agent, he is pimping me out now by the hour.

Your interest in reading other peoples mail is shared by many, it is also why many people should not be mail admins. It is that sort of attitude is why management of companies should outsource their email so that their IT staff don't have their fingers in everything.

Large/listed companies have these great policies of "we have to run it in house because we are big" only to have their IT staff leak information or sell the backsups.

Ethically reading other peoples email is very wrong, unless you are the business owner.

Information is power and money... ethics, well if someone uses their work email for non work purposes then it's also unethical... but of course two wrongs don't make it right.

In any case, I believe there should be more monitoring of people's communication and surfing habit. This forum is a perfect example of that...

[hk.com]

I'm all for the people that are authorised whether top, midle or supervisory management read their team members emails, in fact we provide the tools for that. Still a mail admin, IT staff any anyone else, internal or external should never ever be looking at anything that is not theirs. period.

Information is power and money, sounds very familiar. Before anyone asks me yet again, I'm not available to break into mail servers, or Gmaill accounts or do anything that is illegal. I'm satisfied with my life.

[gilleshk]

should(or not), can and will are three very different words...

Anyone writing an email from work should be aware that someone other than the intended reader is able to read that message.

Assuming that people will refrain from it on ethical grounds is naive.

[hk.com]

Originally Posted by gilleshk

Anyone writing an email from work should be aware that someone other than the intended reader is able to read that message.

Assuming that people will refrain from it on ethical grounds is naive.

If you are not authorized by the directors/management to read peoples email you are doing something that is unethical and probably could be prosecuted for if proven.

Whether you expect it to read or not, or whether it is naive is a separate issue.

[gilleshk]

Prosecuted? Hardly...fired probably... but it would be difficult to catch someone and the IT(or ISP) has or should have the duty to scan to make sure than inappropriate content doesn't flow through their server.

In any case, people should know that email's are not private communications in the sense that many people can and do read them. That's the reality. Trusting others to be ethical, well... I wouldn't trust Google any more than Netvigator or my employer or you for that matter.

[Boris]

Originally Posted by hk.com

If you want a full lesson, speak to Boris, my agent, he is pimping me out now by the hour.

How can a pimp make money of of a slut that does it for free !!

[jaykay]

Just a quick heads up to those who look at Yahoo or Google business solutions - it may solve your immediate problems with being labelled as spam but you'll soon find it a pain in the arse due to the issue of servers being in US and the downtime issues.

Being in the US means that downloads with attachments can take a while to get through and if you're doing business in China, well lets just say the great firewall keeps bandwidth to US to a minimum which used to frustrate us all on many occasions. Any server maintenance is performed in the evening which just happens to coincide with HK working time........

That's why we bought our email back into HK and are, as it happens, one of hk.com's customers. Differences - well reliability, the ability to get in touch with a real human being, that extra mile that quality service gives you for free. Oh and someone who will talk with the dumbest network administrator ever born.........

[hk.com]

Originally Posted by gilleshk

Prosecuted? Hardly...fired probably... but it would be difficult to catch someone and the IT(or ISP) has or should have the duty to scan to make sure than inappropriate content doesn't flow through their server.

In any case, people should know that email's are not private communications in the sense that many people can and do read them. That's the reality. Trusting others to be ethical, well... I wouldn't trust Google any more than Netvigator or my employer or you for that matter.

I do think that in large hosting companies and ISPs where more people have access to the data, the likelihood that your email is read grows exponentially.

Admins, ISPs, ESPs, are not authorised by default to read your email. They can read the SMTP headers to collect stats, or debug problems. The contents but the message body and possibly the subject are nothing to do with us. If you are caught reading information that you are not authorised to do so even in my position, you can get done under the HK Cyber crime laws for un-authorised access to information.

I am sure that I would be able to build and win a case against someone doing reading email that they are not authorised. More and more of this stuff going on, We've helped two of our customers win cases involving email last year.

I sense that you would like to get your little paws on a mail server to snoop through email and justify it with a "hey they shouldn't expect this to be confidential, they are naive".

[MrMoo]

Originally Posted by jaykay

you'll soon find it a pain in the arse due to the issue of servers being in US and the downtime issues.

Google have servers all over the world, a new super datacentre is currently in the planning stage for Asia, current international list is:

INTERNATIONAL

* Toronto, Canada
* Berlin, Germany
* Frankfurt, Germany
* Munich, Germany
* Zurich, Switzerland
* Groningen, Netherlands
* Mons, Belgium
* Eemshaven, Netherlands
* Paris
* London
* Dublin, Ireland
* Milan, Italy
* Moscow, Russia
* Sao Paolo, Brazil
* Tokyo
* Hong Kong
* Beijing

Originally Posted by jaykay

lets just say the great firewall keeps bandwidth to US to a minimum which used to frustrate us all on many occasions

Wrong. The problem is that trans-Atlantic data travels through Hong Kong and South East Asia, this is why many billions of dollars are being spent on a new direct link from the mainland to US.

Originally Posted by jaykay

Any server maintenance is performed in the evening which just happens to coincide with HK working time........

Wrong, maintenance occurs constantly through out the day. Read the Google data center inner workings

Originally Posted by Google

In each cluster's first year, it's typical that 1,000 individual machine failures will occur; thousands of hard drive failures will occur; one power distribution unit will fail, bringing down 500 to 1,000 machines for about 6 hours; 20 racks will fail, each time causing 40 to 80 machines to vanish from the network; 5 racks will "go wonky," with half their network packets missing in action; and the cluster will have to be rewired once, affecting 5 percent of the machines at any given moment over a 2-day span, Dean said. And there's about a 50 percent chance that the cluster will overheat, taking down most of the servers in less than 5 minutes and taking 1 to 2 days to recover.

Originally Posted by jaykay

the ability to get in touch with a real human being, that extra mile that quality service gives you for free. Oh and someone who will talk with the dumbest network administrator ever born.........

Google have 24x7 phone support too:

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