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Old 10-04-2008, 10:15 AM
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EXPELLED: No Intelligence Allowed starring Ben Stein

EXPELLED: No Intelligence Allowed starring Ben Stein follows his journey around the globe where he proves that scientists, educators and philosophers are being persecuted in a modern day witch hunt because they dare to go against the theory of evolution. These pillars of education are being fired, ridiculed and ostracized for merely challenging Darwin's theory.

I have not seen a movie like this before, what do others think? Anytime anything to do with God gets on geoexpat outside a question about 'where is a good Church' it ends up crazy, so why not - could make for good discussion.

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Old 10-04-2008, 10:30 AM
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Merely challenging it .. is different from teaching it to kids.

By the way, you know what goes around, comes around.

This so called prosecution is nothing compared to what the Christians did to those scientists who ummm... said sacrilegious things like the earth is round ... the earth revolves around the sun.
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This so called prosecution is nothing compared to what the Christians did to those scientists who ummm... said sacrilegious things like the earth is round ... the earth revolves around the sun.
Yes, sure: People are very bad, by nature we are very bad so it does not surprise me that what goes around comes around, and then around, and around. The world in general is amazingly different to a few hundred years ago - even shifts of power and also the way power is shifting now (example, power shifting to China, but not by war etc).

[As a side note, those Christians who said the Earth is flat didn't read their Bible which says in Isaiah 40:22 that the earth is round.]

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[As a side note, those Christians who said the Earth is flat didn't read their Bible which says in Isaiah 40:22 that the earth is round.]
That's really interesting. Just checked out the verse. Wow....
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Deano, why does it matter to you so much what other peoples beliefs are ?

Can't you find it within your Christian self to accept others as individuals.

Why do we have to follow your "conformist " views?

It also goes against the grain of Chinese culture/tradition, because Vatican based religion is not an indigenous religion in China, and very much an introduced set of religeous protocals...

Most of us here are pretty accepting of people, but not at the moment religion is raised as a basis of social acceptance. Hence why you need the security of your flock. Sheep ?

I also only see you mentioning your religeous beliefs upon others, at the clear ignorance of their God, that their religion isn't true, only yours is.

I don't see Hindu's, Buddhists, Muslims etc behaving in this way on the GEO forums, they seem to be quiet secure within themselves not to feel obsessed about their beliefs in mainstream Hong Kong society.

I've met quiet a few fellow expats from various countries, who believe in a great many things, i enjoy learning about them as people, but as soon as the topic becomes "but my god "is the only true god, you can get stuffed.

Why do you find it so difficult to just except people for what/who they are, and leave your personal choice of religion as a "personal" faith/interest ?..

Nobody minds what you do in your spare time, providing it doesn't hurt any body/thing, Dean.



I'll be honest, that i find Christian and majority of the Anglo popular religions least appealing. I find the Asian versions of religion the most interesting, colourful and landscape spiritual, ie Taoism, buddhism, I have always enjoyed visiting various religious temples dotted around Asia, as a result.

I've even made it to the far reaches of Wu Tai Shen ( 5 mountains ) 7 hours car drive from Beijing during the peak of winter, climbed 1008 hand carved stone mountain steps, visited a Ming Dynasty circa temple and probably one of the most important temples in China among the locals. Louwai's rarely ever visit this place as its not on the typical "tourist agenda" . i was taken there by a friend who prayed there every year, once to make a wish, and once to thank the Buddha. I loved the whole experience, it trully was beautiful, located in a place that time stood still, set amongst snow capped mountains with a pristine tree lined river running through the middle of the Ming Dynsaty town, with no neon signs, no McD's, no western influence or development at all.

Because I am an athiest, it allows me to enjoy all religions for what they are architectually, without bias for one another.

Anyway Dean, nothing we are going to say is going to change your very active religeous modus operandi.

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That's really interesting. Just checked out the verse. Wow....
Eh? It says that your imaginary friend sits "upon the circle of the Earth". Circles are two dimensional objects, so this says that the Earth is a flat disc. There's so much contradiction, absurdity and downright rubbish in that book. Fortunately there is a website which highlights the most ridiculous parts for the amusement of those of us able and willing to engage our brains rather than just believe in all this crap.
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Why do we have to follow your "conformist " views?
You don't, I'm not saying you do and I do not insist on it. I am opening dialogue like anyone else. There are many indigenous Church's in Hong Kong (that is started in Hong Kong and not come from outside), also there is ample evidence to show Traditionally Chinese believed in one God well before the introduction of Buddhism from India. But even though this may be the case, I am no-where saying you cannot enjoy the history and culture which goes back a long way but am merely putting forward a film which is controversial. I am merely saying I believe it to be the case that there is one God which means it is my opinion that you are wrong. I don't like Fosters either, but you can take that opinion of mine as though it is nothing. Why not my view on God? This movie is not pushing you to believe in one God but saying that those who think Intelligent Design is valid are kicked out of institutes.

Infact the very movie I am bringing to attention says you can believe whatever you want in the first few scenes.

Australians (whom I am one) love to make Christianity out as a conformist thing, yet in Australia Christianity is amazingly unpopular and generally frowned upon.

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Eh? It says that your imaginary friend sits "upon the circle of the Earth". Circles are two dimensional objects, so this says that the Earth is a flat disc. There's so much contradiction, absurdity and downright rubbish in that book. Fortunately there is a website which highlights the most ridiculous parts for the amusement of those of us able and willing to engage our brains rather than just believe in all this crap.
I cannot find one text that says the earth is flat and ofcourse there is much mockery of Chritian belief which goes to confirm that it is not conforming to be a Christian, I would argue from being one that it goes against the grain of society and if any Christian wants to engage in any conversation involving Christian ideologies they are very quickly silenced or joked about. Any other world view, even if openly hockus pockus will be tolerated and respected (even other monotheologies like Islam and Judaism).

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It is a completely different thing to say that you prefer San Miguel to Foster's. That is simply a matter of subjective taste.

The problem with almost all religions (and I don't particularly distinguish between them - all the Abrahamic religions, for example, are really just minor variations on the same theme) is that they require an unquestioning belief (i.e. "faith") in things for which there is no scientific evidence and for which there is a very substantial body of counter-evidence.

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Any other world view, even if openly hockus pockus will be [...] respected (even other monotheologies like Islam and Judaism).
Not by me they're not. Anyone whose modus vivendi requires the suspension of rational thought is not someone who is going to get a huge amount of respect from me.

I will, of course, tolerate them so long as they are not harming others by their actions or trying to impose their superstitions on others. The question of children is a tricky one here of course. I am a firm believer that practising a religion should be an "adults only" activity.

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I will, of course, tolerate them so long as they are not harming others by their actions or trying to impose their superstitions on others.
No-where in this thread is it evident that that is its intention. The video itself as we can clearly see is about scientists who work along the lines of evidence which show an Intelligent Designer - and the focus is their dismissal and expulsion from the Scientific Community. The message is, 'if you believe like this you will be shunned as well' which seems to be the case before the subject matter has begun to be discussed.

With this in mind - lets just talk about the film with Ben Stein.
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>> The world in general is amazingly different to a few hundred
>> years ago

And yet there are people who go around preaching Intelligent Design ...
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