[Lammarite]

Originally Posted by dean-dzai

Yes, sure: People are very bad, by nature we are very bad so it does not surprise me that what goes around comes around, and then around, and around.

We are not bad by nature, we develop our 'badness' according to our environment.
A young child does not differentiate between white and black friends until his society instills an opinion into him. A good white friend of mine was brought up in Africa and one day asked his Mum whether a friend could come over to which has Mum asked him whether said friend was white or black. To this my friend replied 'I don't know, I'll ask him'.

[PDLM]

Excellent! "Out of the mouths of babes..."

[zenlogo]

Well that was a wasted 7 minutes!
Beyond ridiculing "mud animated by lightning" (and proposing mud animated by the giant tooth fairy) it had no point.
With apologies to the OP, this is another go-nowhere debate. I have no problem with your beliefs, you can believe a Martian lives under your bed for all I care. I do object to teaching it to our children and while I realize you are compelled by your beliefs to proselytize to us heathens, I don't think anything said here is going to change my mind (or yours).
And BTW, the 'earth is flat' talk is not about whether Christians actually believe the earth is flat, its about Christians disputing and arguing the obvious. I fail to see any 'intelligence' whatsoever in 'intelligent design'.

[dean-dzai]

Originally Posted by Lammarite

We are not bad by nature, we develop our 'badness' according to our environment.
A young child does not differentiate between white and black friends until his society instills an opinion into him.

A Childs first instinct is to say "MINE" and to insist upon it. And "IT WAS NOT ME" - when it was them and they are guilty. Children are born lairs.

But I don't want to engage in this topic because is disagreed on by 'major major' schools of philosophy. If you study philosophy you will see this debate going back a long way. With all the material out there for both sides you could exhaust it all and it would still be unresolved.

All that to say, don't toss my words aside as foolish when major schools of psychology and philosophy are not certain.

Originally Posted by KnowItAll

And yet there are people who go around preaching Intelligent Design ...

hahaha - yes. But I have only made one case about the world not being flat. The Ben Stein film people - come on~ Does no-one want to discuss this film? No-one has made even one lousy comment talking about this new cinema release.

THIS IS A CINEMA RELEASE did I forge to say?

[Lammarite]

I think you were dropped on your head when you were a baby.

The film was crap- move on.

[kombuchakid]

My Master has told me that we live on a slightly convex disc resting on the backs of four huge elephants which are in turn standing on the back of an enormous turtle, named Great A'Tuin, and being the insignificant morsel that I am, who am I to disagree?

[PDLM]

You mean we weren't all sneezed out of the nose of the Great Green Arkleseizure and we don't need to fear the Coming of the Great White Handkerchief at all? All of my faith in the Good Book is shattered.

[dean-dzai]

Originally Posted by zenlogo

With apologies to the OP, this is another go-nowhere debate. I have no problem with your beliefs, you can believe a Martian lives under your bed for all I care. I do object to teaching it to our children and while I realize you are compelled by your beliefs to proselytize to us heathens, I don't think anything said here is going to change my mind (or yours).

This is okay - it is not in any way a piece for apologetics from the preview I have shown. If anything else I would have thought someone would have thought something of the conflict between the different scientific schools of thought.

Zenlogo - I also respect you, your comment has been the first relevant to the purpose this was started for - good form.

[Lammarite]

And there's us, sitting in our offices in Ankh Morpork thinking Lord Vetinari will come and communicate via clacks and lead us down the enlightened pathness.

[dean-dzai]

Originally Posted by Lammarite

And there's us, sitting in our offices in Ankh Morpork thinking Lord Vetinari will come and communicate via clacks and lead us down the enlightened pathness.

Or you could just say, "I don't think intelligent design is a valid scientific form" I don't mock Darwin who actually never formally studied science and one day looked at a bird and looked at a banana and thought, "I wonder if they have a common ancestor". This is wide open to humor.

If I got his science and made it sound like faerie tales (like some intelligent design people do to Darwinism) you would mock me, yet you cannot be academic regarding those who follow lines of evidence in intelligent design theories. The tables seem as balanced as Ben Stein says they are regarding opening scientific dialog.