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Old 27-03-2008, 08:51 AM
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Coffee Machine - Frothing Milk

Hi Guys,

I will miss the coffee back home, so I am planning on buying a coffee machine when we arrive (not long now).

I love both the taste of the coffee, but also scooping off the froth from the top - mouth waters thinking about it.

So, the question is: does anyone know what the best type of home coffee machine is best for great coffee and also frothing milk? Is it the ones that have an inbuilt streamer or an external one.

Look forward to hearing from you.

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Old 27-03-2008, 09:10 AM
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Go to Nespresso™: the Art of Espresso. An exclusive Espresso Machine Range & 12 Coffee Premium Blends and check out the available models.

You could call the customer service to ask for the prices. They have office and home models which are great to use and clean.

They sell milk frother on the side too.
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Old 27-03-2008, 09:34 AM
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G'day Bayrunner,

Go down to Bing Lee's in Sydney and bring your self over a Sunbeam EM6910 espresso machine. Its a dual thermo block unit so it has independent boilers for group head and the steam arm. It will produce coffee results every bit as good as Italian imports costing $1500 plus. As proven on ACA testing the Sunbeam against 5 other brands up to $2500AUS. The Sunbeam won all the tests, only pipped by the most expensive machine compared.





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Paul Bassett worked with Sunbeam on this unit and set down the attributes that a espresso machine must have to be classified as such. It will generate proper crema too, not the so called pseudo crema via crema creators screwed to the bottom of the pressurised group head. The Temperature of the pour can be adjusted as can the amount of steam pressure, and because it is a dual thermo block design, you can pour/brew coffee through the group head and steam/micro foam milk simultaneously.

The only other machine I could recommend, is Gaggia's Silvia, but I'd still get the Sunbeam over the Silvia as its got double the grunt, and can produced exactly equal quality coffee's in half the time the Gaggia can. As we often have 10 or 12 people over for BBQ's on our roof top terrace, having a machine that can pour and steam, doubles the output and great if you are in a hurry.

The manual calibration aspect of the Sunbeam also makes it a big hit with us Coffee snobs, and I will list some alternatives below.


The Best Cheapie Espresso Machine around
  • Kenwood ES430 @ $1000HKD it has kick ass Steam production, a good enough coffee pour for reasonable espresso, but excellent for cappuccino. Beats going to Starbucks, lets put it that way. Available at any Kenwood appliances retailer.


    The Champion value machine that beats the Gaggia Silvia, and the best middle ground machine
  • Sunbeams awesome EM6910 ( only sold in Australia never to be sold in HK private import only ) $600AUS is a bit of a bargain.

    One of the equal best of the best brands from Milan, and the historical inventor of the E 61 Group head.
  • La Vibiemme's Domabar Electronic. At $1700US, this is classified as one of the very best, but You'll need a big kitchen to house this 70lbs monster.

Thats my 2 cents worth .


Extra footnote about capsule coffee makers like the NESPRESSO.

Nespresso machines are about as pseudo as one can get. Part of the fun about having a proper group headed espresso machine, is being able to test and experiment with the many eclectic coffee varieties available, the nespresso kills this core intrinsic character trait, which is what coffee enjoyment is all about. Or why bother ?

No coffee enthusiast worth their salt would be caught dead even looking at a Nespresso /capsule coffee pourer even on the shelf at a department store lol.

They really are rubbish, and cost a considerable amount to run, as you are shoe horned in having to buy capsule coffee at about $6.00HKD a shot lol.

It costs me less than $1.00HKD per 25gram group head using my usual Blue Mountain or Mocha Kenyan beans, which would shame a Nespresso every pour.

We bought the Kenwood btw as I'm saving up for a high end Italian machine, but so far its been a top little number. A photo of ours below.

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Old 27-03-2008, 10:17 AM
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Go to 12/Flr of Sogo in Causeway Bay. Large selection of coffee machines available. I bought a Saeco aroma from there (you can negotiate discount) and very happy with the results. Whole coffee beans are available in HK so you can freshly grind as required for the true coffee experience. I prefer external steamer.
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Old 27-03-2008, 10:35 AM
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What is an external steamer ?
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Thanks Guys. Appreciate the advice. Bing Lee and Sunbeam may be the goer - and it is a good price. When I said external streamer I meant the nozzle on the side, compared to those models that don't. I know that doesn't sound techincal - because I'm not. I just love my coffee, and have never done the at home thing - except with the old plunger. So it may well be a bit hit and miss with the first few that we do - I image.
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No worries, Bayrunner, I know what you mean now, a dedicated Steam arm etc.

Bing Lee's are Sunbeam dealers, and if you can also get the matching Stainless steel EMO480 conical Grinder @ $199aus is a hot price for one of the few coffee grinders that do work properly.

More info about the Sunbeam grinder which has to be the best value "proper" conical grinder on the market anywhere. Sunbeam >> Cafe Series >> EM0480


Once you get into the art of making a good coffee using an espresso machine, a good grinder makes all the difference. And at $799AUS including both the grinder and the EM6910 dual thermo block espressso machine, you'll be up and running enjoying superior espresso in no time.

More info about the Sunbeam EM6910 Espresso machine here > Sunbeam >> Cafe Series >> EM6910

It might be a nice idea to get a copy of Paul Bassets DVD "Living Coffee"on making various coffee beverages, its probably the most complete info DVD around. he also uses the EM6900 ( the model before the EM6910 ) extensively through out his show.

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Old 27-03-2008, 01:47 PM
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Thanks Skyhook - you are a font of worthwhile knowledge on this subject. Shopping expedition is on for this weekend. It will give me two weeks to practice before it will get loaded onto the container. Hmmmmm 4-5 weeks of searching around Hong Kong for those recommended cafes on the other thread is before I see.

Thanks again!
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Old 28-03-2008, 07:01 AM
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Gaggia's Silvia!

Skyhook, this is the first time I heard Gaggia has this model. I couldn't find it on Gaggia's website.

As far as I know, the famous "Silvia" is from Rancilio which seemed to be the entry level for a decent espresso based drink around HK$5,000

I second Skyhook on Nespresso's coffee. It's not that bad, close to Starbucks with no effort at home. Good looking too but $$$ you could use to buy a decent espresso setup.
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Old 28-03-2008, 02:19 PM
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Get the Sunbeam set-up, the machine and grinder. The Silvia is too annoying having to switch between steam and brew and the espresso quality is similiar.

The versions these days should be better than the 1st batch which had quality issues.
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