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Old 16-01-2008, 05:11 AM
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i do not have contacts to the accounting jobs in japan. front office jobs i do get alot of calls but i guess if you can't speak japanese and you have no prior experience in derivatives or products that rules you out.

good that you have your own view of how the economy is, but i have serious doubt of your trend of argument in terms of economy. anyway whether in japan or elsewhere, when the shit hits the fan everyone is going to suffer. deflation is about prices coming down. and once prices started going up technically deflation is off and you get into a cycle where inflation kicks in.

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Do you work in recruitment agency for Tokyo jobs? If so I would really be grateful if you can help in one way or another. It doesn’t have to be front office job, it can be back/middle office accounting job too - like management report etc.

I know not being able to speak Japanese is a stumbling block. I will go and learn some Japanese, and post back when I have gain some qualification. I have already taught myself hiragana and katakana. But I do believe being in the country is the best way to learn and one picks up the language faster then studying for a year.

I am not sure what you are basing your opinion on, on Japan's economy. Price increase is only one part of the equation for coming out of deflation. Even, if we only look at price alone, I don't think it has a true reflection of Japan coming out of a deflation economy. They may be at the border, and if they are slightly more weighted to inflation, I think they will easily slip back to deflation if BoJ doesn't manage their monetary policy correctly.

I don't know if you have been following the outcome of the quarter percent increase to the half percent by BoJ. I feel it's more of political then economical reason, or at least trying to move the sentiment in the hope people will start to invest and kick start the economy.

Since BoJ increased their interest to 0.5%. It was reported Japanese companies became more reluctant to borrow money to invest for future growth. Imagine the cost of borrowing is only 1% to 2%, I will be jumping to borrow the money. I am sure it is not hard to make an annual return of minimum 2%.

I suppose with the ever uncertainty of the US and global economy, and the Japanese culture towards investment and saving/spending, this is the natural reaction within the commercial industry. Because of this I doubt there will be further spending or borrowing to push up prices and wealth within the economy (hence more of a truer picture of Japan still in deflation). I can give you a very good example, just by looking at Germany housing market. You just can't shift people's spending pattern and into buying properties in Germany.



As I am aware, for the past several months BoJ have wanted to increase their base rate to 0.75% but couldn't as they were worried about how the US market goes and how it impacted local business. This is important to them as it shows their confidence of Japan being out of deflation. But as today stands, I can’t see them having an increase until after half of this year.

Like you said when the shit hit the fan everyone will get it. This reminds me of an old saying in the stock market: "when the New York stock exchange sneezes, everyone will catch the cold".

I still remember last year around summer time, when the yen went strong against the dollar one of the major car company in Japan reported an increase in profit due to exchange rate interpretation and the share prices shot up immediately on the day. At the time, I was some what surprised with this, as to me it seem like people have forgotten the long term effect of currency against a business, especially a business that heavily rely on export. Well it did not take the market more then a day to realise this. A high yen against the dollar will mean the car manufacturing company will be uncompetitive in the US and US market was their major customer and main stream of income. And yes the price plummeted as quickly as it went up.

What I am trying to point out here is that Japan is a great invention country and thus have a lot of product and the 4th largest GDP countries in the world, we cannot forget that their economy is heavily based on export of manufacturing products and a tourism destination. In any business if you rely heavily on one customer your risk are high and will be associated with this customer. Applying this model to Japan economy, we have the equation – If US go into recession, Japan will go to recession. If Yen gets strong, production and demand for export good will be low, tourism will be low and hence Japan economy will slump. So on this thought I don’t think Japan is truly out of deflation.

If my understanding of the Japasese culture is correct - "saving money under the bed" and the article about not enough institutional investor in Japan. This inevitably means there is no real spender or investor to take the price further. People's behaviour and culture is the most important fact in any business, economy as well as day to day life. I still think many of the older generation who are the one with spending power are still shy, from their experience from the great property bust. Once bitten forever shy.

I would agree that property prices have increased during the past 2-3 years. But how much of this is due to individual purchases and how much is due to institutional investment would be an interesting figure.

One more not to take into account is the possibility of inflation being imported especially when it comes to raw material like food and oil (bump up by bad weather and China buying into commodities like mad, as they don't know where to off load their trillion of US dollars trade surplus they have manage to accumulate themselves into, in the wake of weak dollar).

Whilst on the other hand Businesses is doing well (apart from catering business who has to adsorb the increase food cost), local citizen are not feeling the impact of this boom (may be this is why some of the Japanese people I have spoken to doesn’t have a good vibe of the current economy in Japan) as their salaries are long over due for an increase. If company, so to say be doing well and are not passing on their profits to their employees, where will the spending power be to boost and support for the so called inflation economy the Japanese government are claiming themselves to be in?

What this mean, until government cut tax or business increases salaries etc I still feel much of the country will be suppressed and starved off from investment (=growth). What we will see is the cycle of deflation kicking back in - People without money means they will not buy (or have confidence to borrow money no matter how low the interest rate is) - and without this investment or spending in the economy (and businesses) there will be no substantial growth (or profit). Confidence will still remain low and business will not pass on the rewards to their employees. Continue like this Japan will be still stuck in their deflation cycle and wish for the best to tackle their imported inflation whilst US go through a slump.


I might sound very grim on the outlook of Japan here. But in a matter of fact I am not. I just want to highlight what I mean by Japan not truly being out of deflation. I might be wrong and the specialist in the field might disagree with me.

However, I do think Japan is still going to be one of the top four/five countries/continent – (Europe, US, China, Japan – highest GDP est 2006/07 – from a source a friend sent to me in Dec07)

You may be thinking why I am so concern about this. To move to a country whose employment market for foreigners’ are so competitive, I can’t think of other choice then packing it all in and move to Japan and take my gamble in looking for jobs. If the economy is going the way I think it might be in the short-term, I would be pretty stuck. Either way of entry to the employment market in Tokyo, I would not like to find myself in a position where the slump in the global economy market will force me to have to leave Japan, once I am there. But I suppose if I manage to find a Japanese firm, their track record of life time employment and looking after their staff (what appeals to me in addition to the Japanese culture and food) I should be safe under any circumstance as long as I do a good job right?!

Sorry for diverging on what this post intention was originally set out for .. Freeier, I really hope you or someone who read this post can help me in search for a right job, a life time job in Tokyo...A man with great skills who has a lot to offer then what he already has demonstrated on his resume

Should I stop putting my accountant hat on and ask the famous Shakespeare question:
“To Be or not to Be”

“To plunge or not to plunge”
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Old 16-01-2008, 07:48 AM
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no i am not a recruitment person. i used to work in one of the front office and my appreciation of japan is via talking to the people dealing with investments and the bankers in japan, as well as the government people with the MFoA.

Japan, like you said, is a complex place. No doubt export is a big part of the economy, but it probably is the only country in the region where there is also a self sustaining economy internally.

You obviously made alot of effort studying japan. I'm not going to argue with you on any of those. But overall its alot more meaningful talking to the people on the ground than reading the articles and news written by the academics.

With the jpy now at 106, and getting 100 is in view. I do think the boj have more basis to raise rates. I might be wrong, but that's part of money flow around. There were just too many structural issues regarding japanese rate that is not related to the economy and ended up pressing down the rates.

With US expected recession, i think not many ppl are counting on japan to do well. So compared to 6mths ago the mood has changed.
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Wow you seem to have a very good contacts. No contacts within your network that can help me

No I think I know very little about Japan, or at least not enough. However, I feel a bit reassured to hear from you that Japan is self sustaining economy.

I have been back to Japan 4 times in the past year. It look like a good country to live in. but speaking to few people - just local people - it seem like they are heavily burden by high tax and high expenses and no civil service comes for free. Like in UK we pay high tax, but at least our health care is free (despite that it is very crap compared to other countries in Europe who have seen value for money for the tax they pay)

I was also suprise by the fact that one Japanese person I spoke to, had a large sum of saving but hesitate to buy property (i thought it was a very good value), especially if the interest rate is only around 1%-2%. I would have jump into it if I could borrow this money. This remind me of what I read 15 years ago. The culture and behaviour have not change change much and are seen among the younger generation too (just my small observation from a few people)

I have been searching very hard for financing in Japan. I recently (eventually) found a bank who are willing to borrow based on secure asset in UK, from a FA in Japan. But this lending was from a UK bank! Ironically the Japanese bank I found personally throug my own search, was only open to lending to Japanese citizen. As you can imagine how guttered I was, having to pay small premium. But despite it is 1% higher, I am still willing to proceed with it, if my application goes through (finger cross)

I hope if your prediction is right about the rate, I hope it will happan now then later ^.^ Just that I have intention to borrow money in Japan as part of my move to Japan and the exchange rate is very important for me ..

It will be interesting to see how we our prediction will go ... makes life more interesting ne ^_^

I hope you dont find me being too nosy in asking why you think BoJ has more basis to raise interest rate?
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Old 16-01-2008, 06:04 PM
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dude you are verbose !

I work in an IB and lived in Jpn for 4 years. Amazingly, like you I am an ACCA and also worked in Finance but longer do.

IF you have experience in working in IB in product control, systems accounting then you should not have a problem finding a job. Language is less of an issue in product accounting and in systems accounting.

You need to be open to the folks in these forums - we are here to help so.....

1. do you still work in an IB
2. what products did you do controlling for ?
3. how long did you work for an IB in their finance functions and doing what ?

Give us shorter answers and we can all see what we can do.

OR PM me with your CV, I'll take a look and be able to tell you who is hiring in that field.

I am NOT a headhunter or neither am I in your field anymore but will try and see what is suitable all the same.

On the subject of Jpn and IB: yes, they have largely not bee exposed to sub-prime but go talk to anyone in any IB in Jpn and they will tell you how bad revenues have been with the Nikkei moving sideways and a completely dry M&A environment.
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Hi Katanga

Thank you, I really appreciate your help and the people who have posted msg on this board.

1) I have one year Fund accounting experience, over 2 years IB experience (current job)
2) My position is slightly unique as you will see from my CV/Resume - I oversee the recharge of mainly equity product and other income stream we have like commission and trails
3) Just over two years in IB - position is Finance Manager, so looking at charges/revenue share of all income that comes through the business

I really appreciate your help Katanga ... I will PM yuo the document




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^_^ Yes I suppose it is a very bad habbit to be a true verbose like myself. I dont believe in Jerry srpinger society, I am more interested in the process then just the result.

I suppose I can summarise it by saying - Subprime market is not the main cause of the current decline, but more of one of the causes and a product of 2002/2003 US economical problem and escalated by 2004/2005 events and property boom. Hence US banks successfully sold on the bad debt to the rest of the world and used the bad debt to create more bad debt and exported this as many companies and even countries were sitting on a potential weak US dollars.

Japanese bank dont lend money easily and are not high risk takers. This is also shown in the local culture and especially after their experience of the property bust period which have kept them in deflation til to date, I cant see Japanese people spending/investing more then the past.

Nikkie and M&A decline is not so much because of the direct impact from the Sub-prime market. Nikkie has always had a strong correclation with DJIA movement and US economy (even before he sub-prime market the DJIA was over-valued as one could see during late 2006 and early 2007 everytime DJIS hits around 13500 it falls dramatically). Too much M&A back in 2005/2006 thereore M&A was already dyinging out in early 2007 as there was no more companies left to take over or merge with each other.

In such a bad environment how can Japan increase the demand for money to expand and come out of depression. The only inflation are exported inflation and there are room for this to go further. 0.25% interest at the time was a test to the economy and when they push it to 0.5%BoJ were taking the chance. And now its too ambitious in my opinion.

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Japan is the next sub-prime flashpoint
By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard
Last Updated: 12:20am GMT 13/02/2008

There is still $300bn of bad debt out there, and Japan could be hiding most of it. Ambrose Evans-Pritchard reports

Japan is the next sub-prime flashpoint - Telegraph



this is what i have been expecting in the last 3 mths after US/Europe started their owning up. How it will turn up I have no idea. I think they are well capitalized to absorb the shock but definitely we are not seeing financial sector expanding much in japan for the near future.
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freeier, thank you for the update .. Luckily you sent this message. I think I won’t take my chances now as I can't afford to quite without a permanent offer under current Japan economic climate.

Maybe I might try to take an extended holiday or leave my current job with a new job lined up here at home just in case. On this note, does anyone know where I can rent a room or apartment for cheap and no or one week notice period?

For other people who are looking like me. One good experience I had is to call the Japan and my own local embassy. They gave a few guidance, so I think those who are in similar boat should try to speak to their embassy (excluding Chinese embassy, I can never get through their phone line). Courses I was advice to take are JLPT or JETRP (previously known as BJT), for a recognised Japanese language qualification. My next problem is to find a college that provide the course .. I cant believe how harder this is!

On a further thought of finance, it's quite funny sometime, to see that by applying simple business model on a country you can see what is going on and guess what is going to happen. I must say, I am somewhat surprise that the Japanese bank have more Sub-prime loans to write off. I have apply for Japanese loan/mortgage last year and still to date I have not heard anything?! Are they normally this slow in replying? And Does anyone know any contacts? Either way it has been a tough course for foreigner to borrow from my experience. I wish sometime things can be made a bit more easier for me.

$4.7b (£2.3b) between three banks, £780million each, that's not bad. Lets hope the $300b is sitting somewhere else, otherwise I will be knocking my head out trying to find a solution ..

Wish me good lucks guys ..

PS anyone else got latest about finding job or where to look?
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Oh forgot to tell other web mate .. I rently found CareerCross - it is a good site .. they are holding a career fair at end of Feb08. unfortunately its a bit too late for me to take time of to go to the fair Sometime, I wish I know more people so they could help me forward my CV and talk them into hiring me!
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dores anyone know where I can rent cheap apartment/room for at leat a month and with no notice period or one week notice period in Tokyo?
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