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Old 14-12-2007, 12:09 PM
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PDLM - nice try ... but if both you and your wife had a diplomatic passport, I doubt it would not make a difference.

Come on .. you know you just want to argue for the sake of it while you've got a dutch doll in the closet that you're poking pins and needles into.
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I have no information on whether these people had diplomatic passports - by no means all people working in Consulates do (although as a Vice-Consul I guess he probably does) - I haven't even seen it stated anywhere that his wife is Dutch. She could be Ukrainian or something for all we know.
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Yeah right "probably does".

One thing though, today's SCMP has some interesting arguments in the editorial section.

1) The bonding problem - normally associated with kids in orphanages. Perhaps in a western mindset this is a medical condition, definitely not something I would consider a medical problem that a kid should have. From hullexile's post its been suggested the kid might have autism - would have been easily diagnosed by this age given the number of specialists they have consulted.

2) In the news section they claim to have interviewed the baby sitter who says the kid was not treated the same.

Wonder if the wife has more emotional problems than the kid.
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My mother was adopted and boy, did she give hell to my both granddad and grandma. Even she admits that she gave them both so much shit and hell but they kept her. They did not return her to the people they adopted her from. Grandma told me herself that my mum was not easy to bring up but she said that at the end of the day, she loves my mum and us a lot and not once that she regrets adopting my mum. My mum loves my grandma heaps too now. Possibly more than her sister who is biological. That's how my grandma feels about her children.

I guess, what I'm saying is that, not all adoptions turn out well but at the same thing, patience and love is something that is required for adoptions. Lots and lots of them.

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That's what my wife already has to do, so it's no big hassle.
You kept that quiet. When was the big day?
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[quote=KnowItAll;191666]Yeah right "probably does".

One thing though, today's SCMP has some interesting arguments in the editorial section.

1) The bonding problem - normally associated with kids in orphanages. Perhaps in a western mindset this is a medical condition, definitely not something I would consider a medical problem that a kid should have. From hullexile's post its been suggested the kid might have autism - would have been easily diagnosed by this age given the number of specialists they have consulted.

i think bonding bonding is affected by both phsycial and mental influences. certain shouldn't be called a "medical condition" though.

2) In the news section they claim to have interviewed the baby sitter who says the kid was not treated the same.

Parents may unknowingly treat their adopted children differently. they may love them, but subconsciously they still treat them different than their natural born children. i am not saying this is always the case but it happens.
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The bonding problem is a cop-out. It seems these two Europeans are incapable of loving their own children. Seems like the mother is a basket case, and the father is protected by the government. It would be best if non-Asians were not allowed to adopt children from Asian countries. I think they abused the child, since some reports said she was much happier now. The couple seems like the usual European sc*m.
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oh don't talk such rubbish. We've been abroad forever and neither of our kids have ever lived in the Netherlands and they both have dutch passports.
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As if it wasn't difficult enough to adopt a child:

From the BBC:

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Meanwhile, Asian media have been questioning the commitment of European parents who adopt Asian children.

Some politicians in South Korea are demanding restrictions or even an eventual ban on adoptions from their country.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7144553.stm
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And on top of that, they guy is a diplomat, supposed to project a respectable image of his nation!
Shame on the Dutch nation for having such disgraceful diplomats.
I suggest a boycott on commercial relations with Dutch companies till the Netherland apologizes to the girl, sets up a trustee fund to cater for her financial needs for the next 20 years, and pays a monthly maintenance fee for the Chinese family that has adopted the girl.

And we stop trading with FORTIS Bank of course.
We shall all close our Private banking accounts with FORTIS.
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