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Old 14-12-2007, 10:22 AM
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Well, it'd also be pretty obvious to the child from an early age that she was adopted. After all, the kid's eventually going to ask why they don't look at all like their parents.

Not that it's an excuse for the parents to just dump her off like she was last season's clothes or something.
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So they have not "given her back" but instead she has been temporarily taken into care and she does speak Dutch as well as English and Cantonese. The shock horror story is starting to unravel a bit isn't it?
Will they do the same for their own kids?

I have absolutely no problems, if the man goes on record saying, "you know what .. get of my back and leave me alone, I'd do the same if it was my own son / daughter".
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Will they do the same for their own kids?

I have absolutely no problems, if the man goes on record saying, "you know what .. get of my back and leave me alone, I'd do the same if it was my own son / daughter".
Well they said she was still their daughter and they wanted her back, so I guess they view her as one of their own kids anyway. If their version is true it would seem that the papers have got it badly wrong and the couple are owed an apology. I'm not defending the couple if they did dump her, it just seems that actually they didn't and the papers have, as usual, sensationalised a harrowing story to sell copy.
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Why should she be? Many children have different nationalities from their parents.
PDLM, it is not a requirement but it certainly makes it easier for the sake of family travel, and also as a form of acceptance into the adoptive country/culture/family.
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Interesting read....

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22213754/

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22239798/

Their side of the story...Wonder how true is it.
Even if it is true, is not a valid excuse. When you adopt a child, it is for life! If it has mental or physical problems then, sorry, you have to deal with it. If I have a child born with down's syndrome, I can't euthanize the child or give it away. I do feel sorry for the family; the world is a cruel and unfair place. Millions of family deal with handicapped children, depression, alcoholism... They have no choice but to accept it. When you make a commitement like adopting, then that child becomes your child forever...you have to deal with however the child grows up.
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PDLM, it is not a requirement but it certainly makes it easier for the sake of family travel, and also as a form of acceptance into the adoptive country/culture/family.
I don't really see passports that way - to me it's a travel document and I would simply get whichever one I could which made travelling as hassle-free as possible (absent the complications of a few countries where having their passport entails paying taxes there). I have looked a couple of times at the possibility of getting a Singaporean passport - not because that would in any way make me more Singaporean, but because it is the passport that gives the most hassle-free travelling (fewer places need visas than any other I believe).
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PDLM - So, lets just say you were dutch and took you kid back home for holidays.

Would your kid have to go through the tourist channel while you went through the EU queue?

Did the kid have diplomatic status on their passport so that they could whiz through the dip channel?
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Would your kid have to go through the tourist channel while you went through the EU queue?
That's what my wife already has to do, so it's no big hassle.

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There was an article in Newsweek this week about this issue:

http://www.newsweek.com/id/74385

It really seems like an awful situation to be in.
Thanks for the link. It really puts a lot of things into perspective.
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Even if it is true, is not a valid excuse. When you adopt a child, it is for life! If it has mental or physical problems then, sorry, you have to deal with it. If I have a child born with down's syndrome, I can't euthanize the child or give it away. I do feel sorry for the family; the world is a cruel and unfair place. Millions of family deal with handicapped children, depression, alcoholism... They have no choice but to accept it. When you make a commitement like adopting, then that child becomes your child forever...you have to deal with however the child grows up.
A valid excuse for what? According to them all that has happened is that the child has been temporarily taken into care because of health reasons and that they want her back at a later stage. I see nothing in their version of events that says they have rejected her.
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