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Old 24-11-2007, 03:45 PM
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PC games and advice re video card

Where is the best place to buy real PC games (not copies or counterfeit) in HK?
Also I have a Windows XP Media Center (2002, SP2) for my kids, and it seems lately their games don't work too well. What should I do? Upgrade to Vista? Install a new video card? I'm good with macs but hopeless with PC's.
Specs: Pentium 4, 2,53 GHZ - 2GB memory, 512 ram- video card is nvidia geforce4 mx 440.
Thanks.

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Old 24-11-2007, 04:44 PM
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2/f Wanchai Computer Center for authentic PC games.

Your system doesnt look too bad.... except the video card. latest nvidia video cards family is "series 8"

the most important thing is to determine if your PC can take the recent video cards (ie series 7 or 8). this would be quite challenging to a mac person. ask ur kids or their pals to do it

unless you go "bleeding edge" series 8, HK$1k to HK$1.5k should get u decent gaming experience. check price here before purchase: http://www.hkgolden.com/hardware_price/videocard.asp

Dont ever upgrade to Vista: it doesnt improve gaming experience whatsoever, only generate other woes for u exponentially.
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Get the 8800GT for $2000 if your wallet can take the hit, as it's the best bang for your buck at the moment. Performance is almost level on par with the 8800GTX, especially when you overclock (this however isn't neccessary) which is around $4000.

Basically the 8800 GTS is getting new revisions mid-december, so don't get caught in thinking the GTS has better performance than the GT due to it being priced higher. Do a few googles for "8800GT review" and you'll pleasantly surprised.

A P4 CPU as aforementioned above should keep you in good stead and 2GB is more than enough for XP. Good luck.

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Get the 8800GT for $2000 if your wallet can take the hit, as it's the best bang for your buck at the moment.
where are you seeing the 8800GT going for a flat $2k? Ive been shopping around the various markets and its usually an additional 3-800$
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where are you seeing the 8800GT going for a flat $2k? Ive been shopping around the various markets and its usually an additional 3-800$
There ya go mate, the 8800GT is just under or just over the $2000 mark.

http://www.jumbo-computer.com/pricelist.asp

http://www.hkgolden.com/hardware_price/videocard.asp
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Ok, I went to Sham Shui Po and came back without a new video card but super confused.
Every seller was saying something different! Talking to me about PCI, CPU....

I don't want a super duper video card. I just want something that's better than my actual card (Nvidia GeForce 4 MX 440) so that my 10 year-old can have better visuals when he plays the latest flight simulator game (X).

My computer has PCI slots. And the CPU (I think) is 2.53GHZ.

Would the GeForce 6500 series do the trick? Or will it just be the same?

Thanks!

These are the requirements for the FSX game:

RECOMMENDED REQUIREMENTS
OS: Windows XP SP2 / Windows Vista
Processor: 3.0 GHz Intel Pentium IV or equivalent
RAM: 1GB
Hard Drive: 6.5GB
Video Card: 256MB nVidia GeForce 6800 series or better
Other: Supported videocards: nVidia GeForce 3 series or better, excluding GeForce 4MX model series, ATI Radeon9500 series or better, keyboard, mouse
Online Multi-player: 1 set of discs per computer; 6-8 players via internet or LAN play supported
Soundcard: DirectX 9.0c compatible 16-bit sound card
Drive: DVD-ROM drive

MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS
OS: Windows XP SP2 / Windows Vista
Processor:
1.0 GHz
RAM:
Windows XP SP2 (256MB), Windows Vista (512MB)
Hard Drive:
14GB
Video Card:
32MB DirectX 9 compatible
Other:
DX9 hardware compatibility and audio board with speakers and/or headphones
Online Multi-player:
56.6 kbps or better for online play
Drive:
DVD ROM Drive

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Here's a quick rundown of the expansion slots found on motherboards ranging from the paleolithic era to modern day:

ISA/EISA: ancient slots back when PONG was considered high-tech and DOS 2.0 ruled the world.

VESA: When it became apparent that those 'speedy' 286/386 computers needed a video system boost, video accelerator cards would sit on this special dedicated slot while the remaining non-video cards (network, HD controllers) took up ISA slots.

PCI: As computer CPUs kept racing faster, the old ISA slots became a bottleneck. Motherboards of the 1st gen Pentium put all expansion cards (including video cards) on PCI slots.

AGP: Once again, CPUs got so fast, PCI video cards couldn't pass data fast enough through that PCI slot and we have the birth of AGP. A typical motherboard would have ONE AGP slot followed by PCI slots in the remaining spaces.

PCI Express (aka PCIx, PCIe): The newest current motherboards are likely to be completely populated with PCIx slots. For the current range of CPUs (Intel/AMD dual cores, quad cores) PCI Express should provide an overkill of datapaths to a videocard.

THAT TAKES CARE OF THE SLOTS YOU'LL FIND ON VARIOUS MOTHERBOARDS

As to videocards, it should be no surprise that MOST videocards in the stores today are created for AGP slots or PCIx slots. The two are NOT interchangeable. You must find out what your computer (motherboard) uses. Several ways to do this: Check the computer sales invoice to see if it's itemized, check WinXP's Device Manager, or in an act of desperation, yank out the existing videocard and bring it to the store with you.

While a computer CPU (Intel, AMD) does the heavy thinking, all videocards revolve around its GPU (graphics processing unit) to render a real-time 3D image and the two primary competitors are nVidia and ATI.

As others in this thread have indicated, it isn't necessary to break the bank and buy the newest/fastest/priciest videocard. A uber-pricey $5000hk videocard would be best paired up with a new dual-core or quad-core PC. In an ancient slow PC, a $5000 videocard would never reach its potential.

Your 2.5ghz PC isn't a slouch though, it just has a sloooooow videocard. For that kind of CPU speed, I'd recommend any videocard that's 1/3rd to 2/3rds the price of the top/fastest videocard on the market.

Your PC (with its relatively recent 2.5ghz CPU) can't be SO OLD that it only has PCI slots. If you're absolutely positive on this, then your quest will be to find a fast videocard made for the old PCI slot. I don't see much success there, ATI/nVidia stopped making PCI videocards by now.

More likely, your MX440 videocard sits on a dedicated AGP slot. Go visit your motherboard. If the MX440 sits on a brown slot, it's AGP. If it's sitting on a white slot that looks like ALL the other white expansion slots, it's PCI.

I don't know what PCI Express slots are colored, but am pretty sure they laid the MX440 GPU to rest long before PCI Express was introduced by motherboard manufacturers.

That takes care of how all this stuff physically relates to each other.

For GPU comparisons, peek through review sites like AnandTech, Toms Hardware, HotHardware, etc

Find a videocard whose drivers at least support DirectX 9.0 or higher, Shader 2.0 or higher, and preferably at least 256megs of memory.
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Incredibly helpful! Thanks a million!
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I don't want a super duper video card. I just want something that's better than my actual card (Nvidia GeForce 4 MX 440) so that my 10 year-old can have better visuals when he plays the latest flight simulator game (X).
Hi there,

Im a great fan of Flight Sim, if you already bought FSX (FlightSim 10) then you will be disappointed with the gameplay on your machine.. I have been running it for a while now, I have 3.0 Dual Core, 4Gb of RAM and the 8800GTX (basically top of the line) and i still have problems with nicer graphics.. have to keep most of the settings sliders quite low to play at decent frame rates.

So, my advise is to try to find a copy of FS2004 A Century of Flight. This is also a very heavy game for your specs, but will run much smoother than FSX would. I have both installed on my machine and the difference is huge! I tend to be on FS2004 more than on FSX because it just runs much better. With the expansion packs that are available (legally or from torrents... i didnt say that ;-)) you can make FS2004 look almost as nice as FSX without the hit on frame rates.

Hope it helps,

Kind regards,
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I've already bought FSX. It's what the kid wants for Xmas, I don't want to disappoint him! If it doesn't work, then so be it. I've been to Wanchai Computer Center to have a look at video cards, they weren't much more help than at SSP and so I left with nothing, again.
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