[KnowItAll]

Bullying can be traced back to the beginning of civilization ... a lot about religion centers around moral bullying.

[KnowItAll]

>> are we on saving millions or on cigarettes?

Ciggies ..

Would it be justifiable for a cop to beat up a 12 year old to find out his source of ciggies?

Would it be justifiable for a dad to beat up a 12 year old to find out his source of ciggies?

What happens of it was not cigs but say .. crack.

There is no absolute ... and yes, sometimes the ends justify the means.

[climber07]

Originally Posted by KnowItAll

Bullying can be traced back to the beginning of civilization ... a lot about religion centers around moral bullying.

Religion -----> Possible the single largest cause of people's suffering.

Yet, as long as all that we have are the sheep...they still need some sort of a shepherd....

[climber07]

Would it be justifiable for a cop to beat up a 12 year old to find out his source of ciggies?

NO

Would it be justifiable for a dad to beat up a 12 year old to find out his source of ciggies?

YES (Depending on the severity of the beating)

What happens of it was not cigs but say .. crack.

Would it be justifiable for a cop to beat up a 12 year old to find out his source of crack?

NO

Would it be justifiable for a dad to beat up a 12 year old to find out his source of crack?

YES (Depending on the severity of the beating)

[Crocodile]

An interesting study regarding ethics, morals, etc.
The Trolley Dilemma

Two situations:
In one, you are standing by a railroad track when you notice that a trolley, with no one aboard, is heading for a group of five people. They will all be killed if it continues on its current track. The only thing you can do to prevent these five deaths is to throw a switch that will divert the trolley on to a side track, where it will kill only one person. When asked what you should do in these circumstances, most people say you should divert the trolley on to the side track, thus saving a net four lives.

In another dilemma, the trolley is about to kill five people. This time, you are standing on a footbridge above the track. You cannot divert the trolley. You consider jumping off the bridge, in front of the trolley, thus sacrificing yourself to save the people in danger, but you realise you are too light to stop the trolley. Standing next to you is a very large stranger. The only way you can prevent the trolley from killing five people is by pushing this stranger off the bridge into the path of the trolley. He will be killed, but you will save the other five.

When asked what you should do in these circumstances, most people say that it would be wrong to push the stranger.

It is called Moral Sense and is fairly consistent despite differences in nationality, ethnicity, religion, age and sex.

[Chomperz]

Well, that depends on your views...and the ultimate outcome...

Is Iraq like Afghanistan or is it like Vietnam?

...regardless...we're in far to deep at this moment and devastating outcomes whether to get out now or later...

..furthermore...I don't think the "means" or the "ends" were ever clearly or truthfully expressed to the American people or the world...therefore, hard to make that statement when we don't know what we're even trying to justify...

[KnowItAll]

>> it would be wrong to push the stranger.

Would it make a difference if it was a comrade in arms who you ordered to jump in and sacrifice his life?

[Krad]

if it was a comrade in arms, they'd likely be carrying ammunition which would subsequently explode once the trolley hit them, thus causing a massive explosion that would kill everyone.

The best answer of course, would be to call Jack Bauer. He would singlehandedly stop the train without killing anyone. OK, maybe he'd kill someone a little.

[Crocodile]

Jack would have to call Chloe first and she would be able to send him the schematics.

[gunsnroses]

I am not pushing all the world's problem on usa...no one can! they r way too powerful for that....
see, all I am saying is, when one's the world leader, you are implicitly or explicityl responsible for the followers...with great power comes great responsibility.....but if, all u r interested in being a super power and not do ur duty....then u loose moral right to teach others what they are or aren't suppose to do....
what saddam did in his own bleeding country was his business....iraqi business....who r u to play big brother and then raid the country and destroy it....?? besides weren't u the one who supported mr hussein when he came to power...???
osama is enemy number 1 today...but wasn't CIA supported him and helped him?? its the classic case of your own demon turned against u?? the current crop of these suiciadal islamic young ones that we see, who r creating so much scare around the world.....have we thought why all of them r like that, what could be possible reason?? I guess when from the time u were born all u see is hatred, killing, and war.....u hve very little to do or think bout...
such an old problem between India and Pakistan....for kashmir....Pak is sponsoring all possible terrorist activities in India for close to 60 yrs now...and even CIA has confirmed that like hundreds of times....but has USA done anything ...nope...infact Pak has bcome its biggest ally in war against terrorism(HAHAHA)....
and lets not forget what happened in burma and tibbet....and still happening....

laterzzz