[climber07]

Originally Posted by Max

A free market may be the ideal situation for employers and employees where a person's skillset determines his competitiveness and ultimately his compensation, but tell me this, DOES IT REALLY EXIST?

Well such market should exist if we believed in the neo-classical discrimination theory....which would imply that non-profit maximisers (i.e. discriminatory employers) will be eventually forced out fo the product market....

However, as discrimination clearly does persist, it implies that the product market is currently not perfectly competative and the employment decisions /wage rates are based on imperfect information.

So it works in theory just not in practice.....

[frogman]

Boneco, I wouldn't take the requirement for native English speakers too literally. I think that what people are looking for are employees with the language level of a native English speaker. My wife, who is not a native English speaker but has very good language skills, has a job here in HK that would normally be earmarked for a native English speaker. In fact, I find that many non-British Europeans and Asians actually speak much better English than many so called native speakers...

[Boneco]

Unfortunately i felt that i would probably face some serious problems in finding a job due to my nationality or based on the fact that English is not my mother language( even though, many people think i'm American when they hear me talking ) , thanks god i already found someone who's willing to hire me based on my skills and not because the colour of my skin or my language. I have to agree with what KNOWITALL said...about the muslim issue...sadly, some people have to suffer the consequences from others who take religion to fanaticism and call themselves leaders of the truth!! The reason they are called fanatics is because they take writing from the Muslim religion and blow it all out of proportion, they change the religion to suit them, and while doing so hurt a lot of innocent people. For example in the Muslim religion it says nothing about going around killing anyone who doesn't follow the muslim religion, these brainwashed fanatics change the meaning of the religion!

[climber07]

Originally Posted by Boneco

For example in the Muslim religion it says nothing about going around killing anyone who doesn't follow the muslim religion

It doesn't exactly preach tolerance either......

Here is an interesting article:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...n_page_id=1770

[KnowItAll]

BUT, before we digress too far, I think frogman's post deserves a second thought in terms of boneco's post.

A career placement officer in college taught me that job ads are basically a fantasy list of requirements. It is up to you to figure out what is really essential, then it is up to you to get an interview and convince someone else that you'll work out for them.

By the way, Boneco, when an ad says "Native English Speaker" .. they generally mean "gwailo", which you'd qualify to be, given that you're from a European country.

[Boneco]

Originally Posted by KnowItAll

By the way, Boneco, when an ad says "Native English Speaker" .. they generally mean "gwailo", which you'd qualify to be, given that you're from a European country.

Oh really , why can't they say that in the first place,haha...
about the tolerance thing on muslim religion, all i can say is that we musn't forget about the atrocities committed by the missionaries against other people in order to educate them to believe in the Christianism ( don't get me wrong, i'm christian too... ). but i don't want to go off the point now, the post is about Job discrimination and not about religion or anything related to it,

[links]

discrimination is everywhere, for the case in hk it does appear in many ways.

to land a job in hk, it really depends alot on your luck. but if the hiring manager is expats then your chance is higher.

if the hiring manager is a local then most of the time local candidate is the priority, even the job skills, language skills may not better than the expats candidates. The main reason is the managers here doesnt want to hire someone who has potential to threaten their position, second is they prefer to work day to day with local people because of same culture.

one trend in local is people like to "tag" other....Chinese are "mainlanders", white men are "kwai lou", the blacks are "black men".....bla bla bla.....and the pride of local is very high, many are still living in the glorious 80s and believe that they are the best, with high intelligence and quick thinking. And they believe the rest are slower and not as flexible than them, this post a kind a problem to make a team work.


The structure of the society here has some problems, so lead to the "discrimination".

To land a job in hk is very depending on your luck nowdays, although the local government always said they want to attract more foreign talents, but with their current policy i didnt see any significant movement aligning with that goal. I think after years of wonders and close door operation, the local workforce are quite inferior to compete with the global talents.....

Singapore seems to be more open for expats in the region, with fair work permit policy(except for malaysians application) and better culture to accept the foreign culture in the company......

sorry if my opinion is makes anyone uncomfortable.

[XI_YAN]

this thread is about discriminatory employment practises but can we broaden it slightly into how prejudice/discrimination manifests itself in a wider context in society. I've read in other threads about attitudes towards 'mainlanders' for eg. There are all the names as well but are names and mutter mutter 'bloody whatevers' as far as it goes or do other things happen? Not getting service? Open displays of hatred? Anything?

[Max]

Originally Posted by l_steyn

this thread is about discriminatory employment practises but can we broaden it slightly into how prejudice/discrimination manifests itself in a wider context in society. I've read in other threads about attitudes towards 'mainlanders' for eg. There are all the names as well but are names and mutter mutter 'bloody whatevers' as far as it goes or do other things happen? Not getting service? Open displays of hatred? Anything?

again....discussed here already ad nauseum...just see the related threads below and you'll get an idea.

[Inattendu]

Originally Posted by climber07

Well such market should exist if we believed in the neo-classical discrimination theory....which would imply that non-profit maximisers (i.e. discriminatory employers) will be eventually forced out fo the product market....

However, as discrimination clearly does persist, it implies that the product market is currently not perfectly competative and the employment decisions /wage rates are based on imperfect information.

So it works in theory just not in practice.....

Although I do have to say that HK is probably one of the closest form of a true neo-classic economy, you are so right. And that my friends is what politics is all about.