[Lammarite]

Originally Posted by beachball

Humans are carnivores, it is in the physiological make-up.

Totally untrue- humans did not become carnivores until the discovery of fire. Prior to that they were vegetarian. Jawbones of the earliest humans have shown they were not powerful enough to eat meat.
Even now, the human body is not prepared to fully process red meat with much of it being left in your bowels until the day you die.
Anyone who has had to change a nappy of a baby who has just been introduced to meat will tell you the digestion difference!

But we digress..........

[Lammarite]

Originally Posted by Boris

I am sure any American Indian, Aborigine, Maori, Inca, Aztec and more locally anyone who is Non Han ( AKA Tibetian or Urgar ) might like to engage on a comprehensive discussion about loss of rights, culture and interferance for the alteration of traditional understanding by incomers, with or without rights of permanent residence. Or family traditions based on living outside of this community.

If you could introduce me to an Incan or Aztec I would love to chat with them about so much more than their voting rights. In particular I would like to ask them what it's like to be part of a people who have been extinct for 1,000's of years!

[PDLM]

Originally Posted by Boris

Perhaps in the future EVERYONE may have a right to vote on issues such as animal welfare and the rights of pigs. The people will be those so entitled and laws made, in the vast majority, by persons with an indiginous heritage and rightly so.

I fear you misunderstood my point entirely. If we extend your argument to Australia and the USA then, if I understand you correctly, you are saying that the indigenous peoples of those countries should have the right to make the laws of the country. So Australia should be ruled by aborigines, and the USA by native American Indians. Is that what you are saying?

[beachball]

Originally Posted by Lammarite

Totally untrue- humans did not become carnivores until the discovery of fire. Prior to that they were vegetarian. Jawbones of the earliest humans have shown they were not powerful enough to eat meat.
Even now, the human body is not prepared to fully process red meat with much of it being left in your bowels until the day you die.
Anyone who has had to change a nappy of a baby who has just been introduced to meat will tell you the digestion difference!

But we digress..........

That is misleading at best and in part factually incorrect. We were (and more specifically I was) not talking about human ancestors hundreds of thousands of years ago. Humankind has evolved since then (well, most of us...). The bodies of today's human beings are set up for the consumption of other animals. Specifically note:[list]

1. Human teeth are optimized to process meat as part of our diet.
2. The human stomach produces hydrochloric acid, which breaks down meat.
3. Humans require vitamin B12 from animal sources as part of their diet.

[Stuckup_not]

I wish this had stayed on topic .......

it seems most are just apathetic and don't post or the rest just keep talking about entirely different subjects.

[PDLM]

Originally Posted by Stuckup_not

I wish this had stayed on topic .......

it seems most are just apathetic and don't post or the rest just keep talking about entirely different subjects.

Chatting with you in the pub must be a bundle of laughs if going off-topic isn't allowed...

[lowlight]

Originally Posted by Lammarite

Totally untrue- humans did not become carnivores until the discovery of fire. Prior to that they were vegetarian. Jawbones of the earliest humans have shown they were not powerful enough to eat meat.
Even now, the human body is not prepared to fully process red meat with much of it being left in your bowels until the day you die.
Anyone who has had to change a nappy of a baby who has just been introduced to meat will tell you the digestion difference!

But we digress..........

That would make perfect sense if we were still swinging around on trees and eating dirt.

[Lammarite]

Good- so long as we are all agreed that it is not a physiological make up, that some humans have developed into single minded carnivores.

[Vrindavan]

>>>

1. Human teeth are optimized to process meat as part of our diet.
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2. The human stomach produces hydrochloric acid, which breaks down meat.
3. Humans require vitamin B12 from animal sources as part of their diet.

well said
the above statements are not misleading, very good argument for eating meat

[Lammarite]

Originally Posted by Vrindavan

>>>

1. Humans require vitamin B12 from animal sources as part of their diet.

But not necessarily meat; eggs and dairy products can supply a perfectly adequate amount of vitamin B12.