[freeier]

Originally Posted by zane

Ah, I have to agree with you on that then. Since it's too late to recall all the weapons, I supposed they really need to take a hard look on why all this is happening and what can be done.

However, at the end of the day, with easy access to weapons, there bound to be people who'll abuse it, making the chances of incidents like these higher.

so isn't it funny that, in canada, switzerland and israel you have as easy an access of gun/firearm as US. and yet you don't see such incidence happenign ?

so what is wrong here ?

[tinybear]

The cowboy culture? That's how the west was won, wasn't it?

[goodkarma]

[quote=sunniefaith;151110]How did the Virginia killer fall through the cracks?

http://www.todayonline.com/articles/184251.asp

I read this with interest. The gun man obviously had issues and people knew that he had issues. How did he fall through the cracks?
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How would he have been helped in Singapore or her in Hong Kong?
Lots of people are mental all over the world. A tiny portion of them go on shooting sprees.

[climber07]

Originally Posted by goodkarma

Lots of people are mental all over the world. A tiny portion of them go on shooting sprees.

I agree with that assesment. Bottom line is until you eradicate mental illness and inbalance this thing will go on. Also, unless you resrict all freedoms and set-up a fascist state.

Interestingly enough there was a story in the press around January about UK government debating on introducing "violent offender orders" for people who haven't yet committed a crime but the authorities think likely to. Governments in US and UK are already planning to monitor babies and toddlers for signs of antisocial tendencies. Now, scientists have developed technology that will possibly be able to predict peoples intentions based on their thoughts......

http://www.guardian.co.uk/frontpage/...009229,00.html

If it sounds too much like that bad Tom Cruise movie......well it seems that things can certainly be headed in that directon. However, given a choice, I'd rather have an occassional psycho than to lose access to the most private thing in our lives. Freedom of Thought.



The media likes to focus on a particular hot topic and run with it, but we often forget when things happen that are sicker yet on smaller scale....the canibals in germany, the serial killers all over the world, etc.

By the way, when someone commits a mass murder with a sword or a really sharp steak knife, will we go after knife manufacturers or Ruth's Cris & Mortons?

[WalkAbout]

guns are easy to buy

they have a lethal impact

the shooter is detached from the act of killing (say verses a knife or a baseball bat)
~
a kid that goes nuts may stab and kill 1 maybe 2 students but not 30+

the us willing or not is a gun culture and the nra is a very strong lobby force in the us congress. the gun debate is to the point of futility. the president would rather change the constitution to protect heterosexual marriages.

americans will never bond together and make a sacrifice for the common good of the society which they live. eg~get rid of the guns & force the media / hollywood to take more responsibility for their productions.


~ possible solution ? ((since the guns are apparently here to stay)))
focus on the ammunition.
-it should be expensive
-restrict heavily who can sell it
-restrict heavily who can buy it
-shells made should be traceable
-central data sharing of ammo purchases by fbi,cia,&local police.
-ammunition for any automatic weapon should be illegal
-if need be consider a nationally monitored and run store for ammunition. ((it annoys me you can buy ammo in Kmart))

~~possible scenario..... a kid buys a few boxes of shells ... local police might just wanna check this guy out ...is he a deer hunter ? does he belong to the local gun club ?? is he nuts ??

[Mr.Bing]

Originally Posted by WalkAbout

guns are easy to buy

they have a lethal impact

the shooter is detached from the act of killing (say verses a knife or a baseball bat)
~
a kid that goes nuts may stab and kill 1 maybe 2 students but not 30+

the us willing or not is a gun culture and the nra is a very strong lobby force in the us congress. the gun debate is to the point of futility. the president would rather change the constitution to protect heterosexual marriages.

americans will never bond together and make a sacrifice for the common good of the society which they live. eg~get rid of the guns & force the media / hollywood to take more responsibility for their productions.


~ possible solution ? ((since the guns are apparently here to stay)))
focus on the ammunition.
-it should be expensive
-restrict heavily who can sell it
-restrict heavily who can buy it
-shells made should be traceable
-central data sharing of ammo purchases by fbi,cia,&local police.
-ammunition for any automatic weapon should be illegal
-if need be consider a nationally monitored and run store for ammunition. ((it annoys me you can buy ammo in Kmart))

~~possible scenario..... a kid buys a few boxes of shells ... local police might just wanna check this guy out ...is he a deer hunter ? does he belong to the local gun club ?? is he nuts ??

as chris rock said in a routine one time-
?Gun control? We need bullet control! I think every bullet should cost 5,000 dollars. Because if a bullet cost five thousand dollars, we wouldn't have any innocent bystanders.?

?Never go to clubs with metal detectors. Sure it feels safe inside. But what about all those nigxxx waiting outside with guns? They know you ain't got one.?

[freeier]

well, then u going to see ppl making bullets and selling it in the black market at 4000, then 3000, then 2000, then 500, then 100, etc.etc...

u can't artifically control the price of a commodity and hope to control the usage. someone is going to try to profit from it in the black market and circumvent your objective

[sylvesterjay]

you can make bullets at home. i had a US coworker, gun club member and all around yahoo who showed me the machine and how he could make them in his basement

[climber07]

Originally Posted by WalkAbout

guns are easy to buy

they have a lethal impact

the shooter is detached from the act of killing (say verses a knife or a baseball bat)
~
a kid that goes nuts may stab and kill 1 maybe 2 students but not 30+

Is it just me, or we just trying to find excuses for people's actions??? It's rather rediculous that as soon as something bad happens people always want to start pointing fingers....its the school's fault, no it's the police's fault, not it's the gun store's fault, no it's the FBI profile database's fault, no its...the....... HOW ABOUT IT THE KILLER'S FAULT???????

No one wan't to take responcibility for their own actions anymore! It's always someone else's fault....the tobacco companies make us smoke, the liquor companies make us drink and gun stores make us kill people. Let's just stop. It's time to stop finding a scape goat for someone's lack of mental stability and moral values.

It's time to heal the society from the inside and not by "limiting" the ways they can go nuts. Guess what, as sick as some of them are, human beings are creative and if they want to "Detach themselves from the scene"....they'll rent a truck and fill if with furtilizer bomb (remember Tim McVeigh???).

Bottom line, we need stop glorifying violence in our society, and maybe focus on some real issues like lack of global healthcare (including mental) and education. The only way you fight ignorance and a closed mind is with books and those willling to share knowledge with others.

[Stuckup_not]

We also need to get insurance companies to admit that mental illness is as real as appendicitis and more people would seek help.