[scot2088]

hello all,

does anybody have the list of all or some job agencies in Hong Kong?,as i give up on searching the internet ,there are never any replies.

Thanks ,

[kinjamin]

There are shed loads here in HK as allot are popping up to take advantage of the market here in HK and SE Asia, I recommend you be picky and go for one with an established background here in HK and overseas.

Also depends on your background. Always be sure you interview the recruitment consultant as well, because at the end of the day, it's your details and you should be the one in control.

I myself work for what I believe is one of the more reputable ones (see previous postings), but I'll PM you as well with my company and some of my competitors so you can check them out.

Good luck!!

Originally Posted by scot2088

hello all,

does anybody have the list of all or some job agencies in Hong Kong?,as i give up on searching the internet ,there are never any replies.

Thanks ,

[jimbo]

Trawl through the SCMP or the Classified post and there are literally hundreds there.

[links]

Originally Posted by jimbo

Trawl through the SCMP or the Classified post and there are literally hundreds there.

there got hundreds but the response rate on those advertisers are not very good.

according to the feedbacks i received, most of the employers(or maybe only the HR dept ), are very reluctant to hire foreign nationality due to the HK government tedious work permit application process.


try those MNC..perhaps the chances are slightly higher if your qualifications are just right , just to fit in the key words they are looking into....

the job hiring sequences i figure out in the "instant noodle cooking" working style from those "hr" are something like:

nationality>education relevance>current industry>years of experiences>other relevance skills

and all these processes are having a apple to apple type of answer...your resume must be good enough to score through the processes, then...you are given a chance for interview....

I came across a few recruitments agents recently,their consultants cant even bother to provide any advises on the post their are hiring, they just doing in apple to apple kind of matching and ignore my elaborations on relevance in the job criterias.Perhaps they really have hundreds of calls to deal daily, but aren't them recruiting consultant which provide professional advices for the employers and job seekers?

Nevertheless, I appreciate helps from Kinjamin, he has helped me to sort out something and provided some useful advices.Would like to thank him for his help.


I dont know if you guys feel the same, the acceptance of internationality in HK is going backward...

[jimbo]

Originally Posted by links

I dont know if you guys feel the same, the acceptance of internationality in HK is going backward...

Ah yes I'm with you there my friend, Been through the whole process before and yes its frustrating as soon as they know you need sponsorship they don't want to know, Mostly its because they don't actually know how to do it and think its expensive and time consuming thus can't really be bothered.

Some companies would prefer to hire a local who is say an 85% fit and can start immediately rather than somebody who is a perfect match but need sponsorship. Thats what I went through last year and boy was it frustrating.

The problem you have is that you need to bypass the local HR guys at the MNC's etc, and get to the guys that can really make things happen such as Departmental Heads etc etc.

Thats where the good old networking comes in, Get a business card done with your contact details on and a brief outline of what you do and get yourself out and about to Chamber of Commerce cocktail evenings etc and literally pimp yourself out.

Out of curiosity what industry are you looking at?

[links]

Originally Posted by jimbo

Out of curiosity what industry are you looking at?

well, I am looking at Six Sigma, I have worked through projects in manufacturing site and also process improvement site.

Being talked to some HR, recruitments officers, they match apple to apple for example, banking one must be working in bank now and Electronics one must be in Electronic manufacturing now.Ofcourse that will be the safest way so i got no comment on it, just that in Six Sigma this may not be the case since its applicable in many industries.

But the problem is, for those who worked through Six Sigma projects will know its cross departmental, and involving both managerial ppl with engineers. So apple to apple type of matching is not really applicable in this case.

Ofcourse, in usual case, foreign nationality will be out of priority list before their local's list run dry so they may put you in or maybe not. And after you beat through the recruitment agent, you will still have to beat through the HR in the company , then only your profile reach the hiring managers.



The 2 main barriers I got here are:

work permit- the nightmate of many HR in hk as they think do one thing less then can save one more trouble.

knowledge in job nature- with the high reliabilty on the checklist while ticking up the resume, how much do you think they know about the terms and requirements stated in the post?....

[jimbo]

Originally Posted by links

The 2 main barriers I got here are:

work permit- the nightmate of many HR in hk as they think do one thing less then can save one more trouble.

knowledge in job nature- with the high reliabilty on the checklist while ticking up the resume, how much do you think they know about the terms and requirements stated in the post?....

Ah yes, the work permit situation, the procedure etc from the HR end is a lot easier than they think but then a lot have never had to do it thus they don't want to be seen as the ones to mess it up etc.

Thats the problem, The HR guys etc usually don't actually have the relevant industry experience they're recruiting for, So if you're mentioning DMAIC and DMADV etc then they're lost as it means nothing to them.

[scot2088]

hello,

oh ,yes , i had an interview with a local company for a job, and the boss was so surprised that i have an HK ID Card, he said a foreigner can have an ID Card?, and then said he said i need a sponsorship!
he does not even know the law!, that a dependent of permanent id card holder can work ,so that s why companies dont reply to my emails , i am sure most of them think :non-chinese=foreigner=visa application=trouble
plus they will always choose a local person against a foreigner, even with higher qualifications,it is called national preference, thats what the extreme right in europe is trying to do.lock up to job market to immigration.
Everywhere you hear about world mobility , globalisation , etc
but in reality every country is locked up from the inside.

[bobinhk]

As in most countries the preference is usually to hire a local and more so where there may be a language problem even when working for a MNC where communications with lower level employees with lesser English language skills.

Getting a working visa for an expatriate is a hassle and involves getting numerous documents and providing information that many employers do not want to reveal. Why as an employer would you undergo this additional hassle when it is hard enough finding and keeping the right employee in the first place?

As for Employment agencies, they are operated as a business and not a free service so will maximize their profits by spending more time with candidates they they think they have a higher likelihood of placing soon, rather than a longshot. So expecting "professional advice" from a company that is not going to get paid for it is not realistic. That is not to say that it is a total waste of time sending them your resume as that a least gives you a chance of an interview but they only reflect the attitudes and requirements of their clients.

Lets face it most employers will only hire expatriates or even Chinese that have worked overseas if they can't find a local to the job.

[kinjamin]

I agree and can emphasise with allot of you and your frustrations over the whole job search and the problem with agencies. I work in recruitment and am lready snowed under!! The demand out there is very strong, ofcourse there is no surprise that the preference would be for a local but employers are learning more and more that the local resource pool is dwindling and they need to attract from overseas. Hence the importance of selling yourself properly. In some instances, it's important to get your foot in the door first by highlightng your skills before mentioning VISA (if you haven't got one). If you wow them enough, the paperwork invilved in a VISA is not all that bad for the right person, that's been my experience anyway.
I wish you all good luck and open to help as much as I can, hang in there!!!!!.