[punk]

Originally Posted by sylvesterjay

and I quote Boomer (dang she's hooooot!) on Battlestar Galatica..."maybe the human race doesn't deserve to survive"

Yeah, maybe...

[HoLangZai]

Frankly us humans are way too smart to have to concede to keeping our airconditioners at 26.5C. The obvious solution is to build Nuclear Power plants, and lots of them. They generate a whole lot more power, and Uranium is in huge supply. The only emission is steam.

And frankly the scientists that are refuting Gore's movie aren't "funded by Oil Companies", but are scientists from Universities like MIT etc. If I remember right, those kind of guys are actually pretty smart. We should also take into account that the Antarctic ice plate has GROWN since in 1990. And the temperature down there has DROPPED during the same time period. So much for Global WARMING I guess. Or maybe the oil companies paid the US GEOLOGICAL SERVICE to doctor the data.

It only takes 10 minutes of in depth reading to figure out what a crackpot Gore is. There is NO objectivity to his movie, but is yet another movie made for shock value. Unfortunately there's few FACTS to back up his claims. Remember 'The day after tomorrow'?? What a load of crap. Every time there's a hot day in the summer, these same idiots come out and say its getting worse and worse every year. Only the stats dispute that as well.

Activists (like Gore) have been predicting the end of the world since hippies came into being in the 1960's, claiming that the main coastal cities in the world would be under water BEFORE the end of the 20th century. And they have made those claims over and over, but people seem to forget 5 minutes after they are made to realise by now that its a bunch of crap.. Just like the idiots who keep saying that AIDS is just as much a heterosexual problem as it is a gay problem, when the FACTS are overwhelmingly against that claim. The only Facts that liberals hold dear is the death count in Iraq. Otherwise stats are ignored.

If there really is global warming, then I'm on the band wagon for stopping it. But I just don't see it.

[freeier]

i think the fact that things are 'changing' rapidly is a sign of alarm, whether its shrinking in size or expanding in size. geographical changes affect the whole globe and funny effect comes about at different corner.

earth will right itself in due course. but again human being is but just a minor tag along in the flow of history.

[Expatriate]

Originally Posted by HoLangZai

Frankly us humans are way too smart to have to concede to keeping our airconditioners at 26.5C. The obvious solution is to build Nuclear Power plants, and lots of them. They generate a whole lot more power, and Uranium is in huge supply. The only emission is steam.

Well, steam is hot. And electricity gets converted to heat eventually. So lots of nuclear power plants will create lots of heat by themselves.

Another possibility might be to make a fridge out of the apartment. That is, insulate it so that it doesn't gain heat so fast. Without the heat gained by the sun, you just gain heat by the humans living in the apartment and appliances used, and cooking and pets, friends, etc.

So, you need less energy than now. Uranium is a bit like oil. It will run out one day, and before that it will get expensive.

[HoLangZai]

1)Interesting. Except the emission of steam is nothing compared to the emission of sulfer from coal plants or C02 from Oil and Gas plants.

2)Also the earth has a massive stockpile of Uranium. And the best part about Uranium is it can produce so much energy from a small amount of it.

3)The Hong Kong property companies might want to consider not ripping off everybody in HK by actually insulating apartments and offices here. Solid concrete and single pane glass = great loss of energy.

And I completely forgot about the fact that human beings fight fires now, when earlier in history, entire huge forests burned down. Guess what that causes???!!! Lots of CO and CO2 emissions!!!! On a massive scale.

Another point! There were far few hurricanes in the U.S. this year compaired to last year. AMAZING!!! But that information has been hush hush... I don't see Gore running out there saying "Wow its amazing! So few hurricanes this year. I'm SO glad that global warming was not as bad as we feared!" You will never hear him say one thing like that ever. Food for thought.

[punk]

Originally Posted by HoLangZai

The obvious solution is to build Nuclear Power plants, and lots of them. They generate a whole lot more power, and Uranium is in huge supply. The only emission is steam.

And radioactive waste. This is silly.

Originally Posted by HoLangZai

And frankly the scientists that are refuting Gore's movie aren't "funded by Oil Companies", but are scientists from Universities like MIT etc. If I remember right, those kind of guys are actually pretty smart. We should also take into account that the Antarctic ice plate has GROWN since in 1990. And the temperature down there has DROPPED during the same time period. So much for Global WARMING I guess. Or maybe the oil companies paid the US GEOLOGICAL SERVICE to doctor the data.

Frankly, they are funded by oil companies. Scientists from MIT can be on the payroll. No shortage of smart people who only care about their bank accounts. I won't deny their intelligence. or their diabolical nature. And these days, with NASA being required to doctor their data to downplay the reality of global warming (as reported on 60 Minutes) it would come as no surprise that other governmental bodies were doing the same.

Originally Posted by HoLangZai

It only takes 10 minutes of in depth reading to figure out what a crackpot Gore is. There is NO objectivity to his movie, but is yet another movie made for shock value. Unfortunately there's few FACTS to back up his claims. Remember 'The day after tomorrow'?? What a load of crap. Every time there's a hot day in the summer, these same idiots come out and say its getting worse and worse every year. Only the stats dispute that as well.

The stats are accurately cited in the movie. Denial won't save the human race from reality.

Originally Posted by HoLangZai

Activists (like Gore) have been predicting the end of the world since hippies came into being in the 1960's, claiming that the main coastal cities in the world would be under water BEFORE the end of the 20th century. And they have made those claims over and over, but people seem to forget 5 minutes after they are made to realise by now that its a bunch of crap.. Just like the idiots who keep saying that AIDS is just as much a heterosexual problem as it is a gay problem, when the FACTS are overwhelmingly against that claim. The only Facts that liberals hold dear is the death count in Iraq. Otherwise stats are ignored.

Making this a liberal vs. conservative debate is silly. It isn't about sweeping generalizations about people you place in an imaginary category.

Originally Posted by HoLangZai

If there really is global warming, then I'm on the band wagon for stopping it. But I just don't see it.

People like you deny reality even when it's in your face. Look out your window. Perhaps your physical vision is as limited as that inside you. You don't see it because your eyes are closed.

[Expatriate]

Originally Posted by HoLangZai

2)Also the earth has a massive stockpile of Uranium. And the best part about Uranium is it can produce so much energy from a small amount of it.

a) The uranium that can be recovered at current costs will last about 40 years.

b) To get 20% of the energy usage out of nuclear power plants by 2050, you need to build about 1,000 of them until then. Currently there are about 450-700 available worldwide. (these numbers might vary, for the correct ones check the DOE website) If you have more power plants you need more fuel.

c) If you take all known energy reserves and resources (oil, coal, gas, uranium), convert them into energy that can be generated from it.
Then take the whole energy consumption worldwide today and relate these figures (use an excel sheet).
Then take into account economic growth.
And take into account that some countries like China and India grow a bit faster than others.
As a result you will get something like 40-80 years within which currently known resources can be used.

If you calculate an average per head energy use that is the same as in the US, resources will be depleted faster.

You can also factor in population growth or a different per head consumption. And you can factor in MOX-technology for nuclear power plants, which extends uranium availability by a factor 60, but you will see that it doesn't really change much in the result.

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If you create heat energy on earth, you need to be able to lose the heat into the universe, otherwise it will get hot here. Common green house gases are CO2, water vapor and methane.

[Submariner]

Punk, you are not being intellectually honest. Some "facts" in Gore's movie have indeed been discredited, yet you insist that they have all been validated. Even Gore's claim that all scientists agree on global warming is inaccurate as proven on this thread.

And speaking of scientists, you claim that all those who disagree with global warming are paid off by the oil companies. Instead of just mouthing off such loads of bullsh*t, why don't you back this up? Your behavior is typical of close-minded extremists who always resort to baseless accusations when faced with hard facts and data.

Finally, I have no doubt that many scientists are funded by the oil companies. But many more rely on funding from Universities which are usually bastions of the liberal movement.

Those who disagree with global warming usually do so because of the hard data. You ought to be more open-minded and consider that things are not as black and white as you'd like to think.

[Submariner]

Originally Posted by TwistedFates

Anything we add on now will compound the problem. Do you really want to pour salt into the wound by saying "Bah, it is a cycle of the earth?"

TwistedFates,

Your post makes sense to an extent, but you've reminded me of a recent program that discussed the temperature history of the earth. There was a time in the not too distant past when earth's temperatures rose and fell by as much as 50 degrees F over a span as little as 10 years. In fact, most of earth's history has been characterized by such volatility. Now I agree with your point that we shouldn't exacerbate the issue, but are humans really even making a dent? Even the most dramatic predictions on the effects of global warming are nothing compared to the expected volatility of earth. What's a few degrees over a few decades or centuries when the temperature can rise or fall by 10-100 times that amount? Do we really have any impact at all?

[goodkarma]

Tryuthfully, global warming is the least of my worries. Just day to day breathing and eating well should be a top priortity.

If we did more things right, perhaps global warming would not be a manmade issue anymore.