[sylvesterjay]

My original point is and remains, setting aside the disputed science and dire predictions, this planet reeks of pollution and we have to do something. We are overpopulated and straining our natural resources, and mama nature is gonna bitchslap us hard pretty soon.

http://edition.cnn.com/2006/TECH/sci...eut/index.html

[Bobbybo]

ok, lets' start from the simple things.
1) stop smoking.
2) don't take a taxi. Take public transportation.
3) air conditioning at not less than 26.5C

Anyone with other suggestions?

[sylvesterjay]

Originally Posted by Bobbybo

ok, lets' start from the simple things.
1) stop smoking.
2) don't take a taxi. Take public transportation.
3) air conditioning at not less than 26.5C

Anyone with other suggestions?

Locals stop smoking? that will be the day...tho i eagerly await it. Jan 1, please hurry!!!

air con at 25.5, or 26.5 as Bobby says...no freakin way! what moron came up with the idea that this temp is comfortable? when its boiling hot outside, how are you supposed to cool down when its 25 inside? It needs to be at least 22 to be a comfortable temp and to allow the sweat to stop.

At 25, sitting still in shorts I'm sweating. How am I supposed to concentrate in an office when I'm forced to wear a ridiculously imposed dress code of northern european cold climate office attire in a southern tropical climate, and I've walked in from 30+/95%+ conditions to an office thats 25 degrees? aiya!!

[Bobbybo]

Originally Posted by sylvesterjay

air con at 25.5, or 26.5 as Bobby says...no freakin way! what moron came up with the idea that this temp is comfortable? when its boiling hot outside, how are you supposed to cool down when its 25 inside? It needs to be at least 22 to be a comfortable temp and to allow the sweat to stop.

At 25, sitting still in shorts I'm sweating. How am I supposed to concentrate in an office when I'm forced to wear a ridiculously imposed dress code of northern european cold climate office attire in a southern tropical climate, and I've walked in from 30+/95%+ conditions to an office thats 25 degrees? aiya!!

You try with 26 at home and you'll see it's cold enough. At the end it's not a question of centigrades, but a question of what the body feels comfortable. Try and maybe you'll become moron as I am. For me comfortable is 27 on my air con.

[Bobbybo]

May I say that it's typical to see people criticizing the big players and put blame on the others for our current polluted world and then saying "no way" to an effort to personally use less global resources?

[canuckinhk]

how about switching to environmentally friendly cleaning products at home. they are widely available in HK now. i've noticed that most domestic helpers are very chemical happy. that combined with frequency they're used, adds up to a lot of junk going down the drain. toilets do not need to be cleaned everyday with cleanser, its unnecessary.

[Bobbybo]

4) Don't overuse detergents and buy the most environment friendly ones.

[Submariner]

Originally Posted by beafan

i guess you cant strip an american's right (or anyone else in the world with aload of money) to the american dream, including owning hummers. but if celebs driving hybrids is just some image booster or sth, that's just pathetic.

My point exactly.

[canuckinhk]

5) switch to low energy light bulbs.

[Submariner]

Well done TX! I considered digging up contrary data but was just too lazy. There are indeed many scientists on both sides of the issue. However, only one side has proclaimed that 1) the other side doesn't exist, 2) produced data that is deliberately misleading, and 3) vilified those that disagree.

As a severe asthmatic and a lover of the outdoors, I am all for a clean environment. But deliberately misleading the public is crossing the line.

Btw, Canuck, regarding glaciers, take a look at Antarctica. All the data showing melting glaciers is occuring only on the Antarctic Peninsula which comprises less than 10% of that continent. The vast interior is actually cooling.

Here's a few more points to think about for those that believe that global warming is an open and closed case:

2002 "Antarctic climate cooling and terrestrial ecosystem response" Nature 415: 517-520: "From 1986 to 2000, central Antarctic valleys cooled .7 degrees C per decade with serious ecosystem damage from cold."

Roger J. Braithwaite, "Glacier mass balance, the first 50 years of international monitoring," Progress in Physical Geography 26, no. 1 (2002): 76-95: "There is no obvious common global trend of increasing glacier melt in recent years."

H. Kieffer, et al., 2000, "New eyes in the sky measure glaciers and ice sheets," EOS, Transactions, American Geophysical Union 81: 265, 270-71: 167,000 glaciers in the world ... 67,000 have been inventoried. Only a few have been studied with any care. Only 79 glaciers have more than 5 years of data.