[phooey]

You could be twins

[lowlight]

Asian1 gets a +1 in my books!

[sylvesterjay]

Originally Posted by Asian1

I look for macro reasons rooted in human nature

ya, people generally are inconsiderate assholes. sadly its univeral, with each culture sporting their own unique spins

[HK_Newbie100]

Would tend to agree with some of asian1’s reasoning. Western racism in general seems to be rooted in racial superiority which produces far more tragic consequences, while Asian racism is a more defensive and passive resentment to colonialism. To some Chinese still, HK was a shameful and face-losing chapter in Chinese history and you mustn’t be surprised if some people still harbour resentment. But it’s rare for a Westerner to be the victim of violence because of race. While any form of racism is misguided, be thankful at least it is relatively benign in HK. If you can live the saying, ‘sticks and stones may break my bones, but words can never harm”, you’ll be ok.

[cerberus]

asian1, thanks for calling me a motherf**ker and comparing me to Hitler. how you can say these things in a friendly way is beyond me. however, i'll take your word for it and leave it at that.

i'm overall fine with HK as it is, if you bothered reading this thread properly beyond merely to get in a flame war you'd notice that i don't have a problem with people not sitting next to me anywhere (that was another poster,it doesn't happen to me), nor did i ever specify my ethnicity. the assumption that i'm Caucasian and that you know so much about what motivates me is the epitome of prejudice as well as showing that you're posting without rhyme or reason.

but like i said, you can call me Goering for all i care, it doesn't matter, just shows your mindset and attitude.

the macro, or universal, reasons for racism and discrmination are obvious: pursuit of power, self-assertion and justification, need to feel superior and make up for presumed inferiorities, struggle for resources and prestige...etc etc. there's also just plain old fear of anything new and different.

the micro reasons for racism are negligible and amount to nothing more than excuses, like this alleged resentment towards certain people over colonialism. i'm not going to get into a discussion on the pros and cons of that era, or as to why Caucasians settling somewhere immediately=colonialism, but non-Caucasians settling somewhere=immigration. suffice to say using it as an excuse is quite predictable and trite, just like your fave boy Hitler played on age-old, trusted "grievances" when fanning the flames of hate towards a variety of people. the realm of geopolitics and geosociology, in a better world, would have no business in individual relations.
even if hating someone born over a century after the fact was something to be taken seriously, it indicates overreaction, since history's much longer than the two centuries or so during which colonialism took place.

in addition, this reveals yet another layer to your bias: an E Asian person from Japan can roam freely without ever attracting attention and will never be called names, even though we all know the history between the two nations (going on your logic), yet a Caucasian person from, say Iceland, a nation with no apparent past friction in E Asia i'm sure you'd agree, will be more of a target for the sake of our debate.

i continue to assert that your posts are from the gut rather than from the head, but that's your prerogative. and i'm glad you find me complex. hope it ain't too much for ya.

[lowlight]

Originally Posted by cerberus

why Caucasians settling somewhere immediately=colonialism, but non-Caucasians settling somewhere=immigration

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[cerberus]

what, you need one of those Heimlich maneuver thingies?

[lowlight]

I honestly don't want to go there...

But you should do some reading...

Maybe this is enough to get started...

To make it simple:

immigration = moving to a country to live among its original inhabitants
colonialism = taking over a country, displacing original inhabitants

Your comment is ... wow...

If more people have an attitude like that, I can see why there is still some ill feelings towards white people here in HK.. I know hate you for saying that shit!

[Asian1]

Originally Posted by cerberus

asian1, thanks for calling me a motherf**ker and comparing me to Hitler. how you can say these things in a friendly way is beyond me. however, i'll take your word for it and leave it at that.

i'm overall fine with HK as it is, if you bothered reading this thread properly beyond merely to get in a flame war you'd notice that i don't have a problem with people not sitting next to me anywhere (that was another poster,it doesn't happen to me), nor did i ever specify my ethnicity. the assumption that i'm Caucasian and that you know so much about what motivates me is the epitome of prejudice as well as showing that you're posting without rhyme or reason.

but like i said, you can call me Goering for all i care, it doesn't matter, just shows your mindset and attitude.

the macro, or universal, reasons for racism and discrmination are obvious: pursuit of power, self-assertion and justification, need to feel superior and make up for presumed inferiorities, struggle for resources and prestige...etc etc. there's also just plain old fear of anything new and different.

the micro reasons for racism are negligible and amount to nothing more than excuses, like this alleged resentment towards certain people over colonialism. i'm not going to get into a discussion on the pros and cons of that era, or as to why Caucasians settling somewhere immediately=colonialism, but non-Caucasians settling somewhere=immigration. suffice to say using it as an excuse is quite predictable and trite, just like your fave boy Hitler played on age-old, trusted "grievances" when fanning the flames of hate towards a variety of people. the realm of geopolitics and geosociology, in a better world, would have no business in individual relations.
even if hating someone born over a century after the fact was something to be taken seriously, it indicates overreaction, since history's much longer than the two centuries or so during which colonialism took place.

in addition, this reveals yet another layer to your bias: an E Asian person from Japan can roam freely without ever attracting attention and will never be called names, even though we all know the history between the two nations (going on your logic), yet a Caucasian person from, say Iceland, a nation with no apparent past friction in E Asia i'm sure you'd agree, will be more of a target for the sake of our debate.

i continue to assert that your posts are from the gut rather than from the head, but that's your prerogative. and i'm glad you find me complex. hope it ain't too much for ya.

BTW you implied that I am Hitler. I never accused you of being such a horrible person. I don't have any bias. It's none of your business but as I said my wife is Caucasian. If I were biased I wouldn't have courted and married her so wrong again. The purpose of my post was to point to macro reasons for discrimination which most readers on this board seem to comprehend. You, instead want to focus on why you were socially snubbed on the bus. Big deal. Learn to have thicker skin. BTW, I've been snubbed in various contries, including HK, but also in the US but no skin off my back. BTW, your logic about Japanese visitors is incorrect. They can attract attention and can be called names. I take it your are from the UK. Ask the Muslims and Asians (Indians) about life in the UK. Ask an African-American white collar professional about not being able to get a cab in NYC. So someone wouldnt sit next to you on a bus. ROFL.

BTW last time I checked any historical source HK was a colony until the recent past. As was India and most of SE Asia. As was Japan in its own way.

[greenietea]

shouldn't somebody be closing this thread soon? :X