[MK22]

Better on HK Island...
Have been in the States for quite a while, so would like to stay "internationalised" when I return to HK.

Am looking for an active catholic community...suggestion?

[NEERAJ]

INTERNATIONALIZED ?????

Well if ure looking for company youve come to the rght place...
drop in at "cavern" tonight n u mght be able to internationalize. ..catholic or not we'll all be around.
cheers !! have a gr8 weekend !!

[dean-dzai]

Originally Posted by MK22

Better on HK Island...
Have been in the States for quite a while, so would like to stay "internationalised" when I return to HK.

Am looking for an active catholic community...suggestion?

International Catholic community, well if you don't mind attending an International Baptist Church in Kowloon Tong, quite International but a bit less Catholic. We do both hold to the Nicene Creed and Apostles' Creed (both of which I love) and love some similar Saints like Augustine who's writings I think are amazing and deep (especially the Confessions) every Christian regardless of denomination should read.

Sorry my suggestion is a little far away from HK Island, I am from Fanling myself :P God bless you.

[LiaMona]

Originally Posted by dean-dzai

International Catholic community, well if you don't mind attending an International Baptist Church in Kowloon Tong, quite International but a bit less Catholic. We do both hold to the Nicene Creed and Apostles' Creed (both of which I love) and love some similar Saints like Augustine who's writings I think are amazing and deep (especially the Confessions) every Christian regardless of denomination should read.

Sorry my suggestion is a little far away from HK Island, I am from Fanling myself :P God bless you.

I go to baptist church too!

As per international church, there're many choices in HK island, eg. Island ECC (evangelical community church), Union Church, The Vine & ICA, etc. They all belong to different denominations and have their own styles. For details, you can pm me.

[PDLM]

Originally Posted by dean-dzai

International Catholic community, well if you don't mind attending an International Baptist Church

I'm sorry to be blunt, but where I came from Baptists (a minor variant of Protestant) and Catholics were killing each other in considerable numbers until very recently because of different perceptions of what your imaginary friend wanted them to do. Are these two things now so indistinguishable that you welcome each other?

If so, would you please hurry up and extend this unification of imaginary friends to the other minor variations on the theme (Jews & Muslims) so that those of us who are able to control our own lives and don't feel any need to abrogate responsibility to an imaginary friend can do so without dealing with the carnage that those of you unable so to do seem to create.

Thanks in advance.

[dean-dzai]

Originally Posted by PDLM

I'm sorry to be blunt, but where I came from Baptists (a minor variant of Protestant) and Catholics were killing each other in considerable numbers until very recently because of different perceptions of what your imaginary friend wanted them to do. Are these two things now so indistinguishable that you welcome each other?

If you are from Ireland then what you say was sadly the case there. The events in Ireland were sad and tragic and no-one would deny they should never have happened. From my most careful meditations on the subject I can so-far conclude that largely those events were largely social seeing as both Protestant and Catholic Christianity does not condone such behavior.

My above point I was suggesting should make clear that Christians do no wage war against Islam. Christians should certainly not fight against each other and both actions are perversions of the teachings of Christ. The point I was making in the previous paragraph about 'cultural war' not religious war can be reflected by American war against terror. This is a Bush administration thing and certainly not a Christian thing (unless you want to perceive it in this way, the Church most certainly does not associate itself with the Bush administration's war). A Nation does have the right to go to war, this is a much more complicated issue.

Paths to peace do not come by changing truth. Peace should be a Christian response to 'obedience' to Biblical instruction for followers of Jesus. Even though the Christian be killed, the Christian response should be more like praying, "forgive them Father for they don't know what they are doing" rather then returning an eye for an eye. If Islam is not true to Islam then it is not Islam, if Christians are not true to Christian teachings then this is the fault of the followers and is out of step with the faith Christians profess.

I have Protestant and Catholic friends - we certainly do not hurt each other. Any confrontation would be friendly dialog regarding Scripture - the same kind that generally happens between other Christian denominations (typically more Reformed theology people and Charismatics from my experience).

Regarding remaining Internationalized, I notice this is a common thing for Chinese who are staying in Hong Kong before returning to the West. There are quite a few International Church's here in Hong Kong, not just HK Island (I know an Anglican one in ShaTin and a Baptist one in Kowloon Tong), we have them in New Territories and Kowloon also.

[hullexile]

Originally Posted by PDLM

I'm sorry to be blunt, but where I came from Baptists (a minor variant of Protestant) and Catholics were killing each other in considerable numbers until very recently because of different perceptions of what your imaginary friend wanted them to do. Are these two things now so indistinguishable that you welcome each other?

If so, would you please hurry up and extend this unification of imaginary friends to the other minor variations on the theme (Jews & Muslims) so that those of us who are able to control our own lives and don't feel any need to abrogate responsibility to an imaginary friend can do so without dealing with the carnage that those of you unable so to do seem to create.

Thanks in advance.

Where I come from people still kill each other because of differences in skin colour, sexuality, football teams, etc, etc. Mankind does not need religion for divisions and murder. Mostly these killings are carried out by atheists so would those of you of this thinking please get your act together and stop the killings please so the rest of us can live in peace. Stupid to generalise and stereotype isn't it?

[Claire ex-ax]

This is a Bush administration thing and certainly not a Christian thing ...

Well Georgie believes his imaginary friend talks to him... Joan D'Arc also heard voices.

"I am driven with a mission from God. God would tell me, 'George go and fight these terrorists in Afghanistan'. And I did. And then God would tell me 'George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq'. And I did." August 2003


"With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion."
Steven Weinberg, Physicist

[hullexile]

Originally Posted by Claire ex-ax

Well Georgie believes his imaginary friend talks to him... Joan D'Arc also heard voices.

"I am driven with a mission from God. God would tell me, 'George go and fight these terrorists in Afghanistan'. And I did. And then God would tell me 'George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq'. And I did." August 2003


"With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion."
Steven Weinberg, Physicist

The world is full of mad people who hear voices, most are in hospitals others Americans elect as their president. If George believed God told him to launch a war that is his issue, certainly not based on the New Testament. I don't think you can base your arguments on the comments of an idiot.

Not sure on this good person doing evil things. Mao probably had good intentions but did evil things without religion. If a good person does evil things are they still good? And who determines what is good and evil anyway? Was the nuking of Japan at the end of WW2 a good or evil thing? Was Winston Churchill a good person? Most people in the UK would probably say he was not evil, yet what about the poisoning of the Kurds and the bombing of Dresden? I don't think it was religion that drove him to this. What about the activities of the Americans in Vietnam? Evil people? Religion based?

[dean-dzai]

I know from experience that if I go into a threat topic on any particular subject and reply to it with any world-view leaning towards a Christian moral-ethic I am labeled and loose green dots. Also when I established a thread topic regarding a soon-to-be released documentary by a popular and well known person to the world-wide media in general I was shut-down by many because his world-view leaned towards a Christian presupposition.

Yet, how is it that in a thread which was established to answer the question of a person wishing to find a community of Christians is over-taken? If you wish to continue in this debate note this, that this debate was not the work of any Christians 'pushing religion on you', but the other way around. By those actively opposed.

Originally Posted by Claire ex-ax

"I am driven with a mission from God. God would tell me, 'George go and fight these terrorists in Afghanistan'. And I did. And then God would tell me 'George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq'. And I did." August 2003

A Christian is a person who is lead to believe Jesus' testimony of himself according to credible accounts found in four separate biographical writings which have a consistency. They are written by three people who personally followed him alongside one who researched and documented an account (Gospel of Luke). Because they (Christians) believe Jesus testimony they obey his words. If a Christian obeys the words of Jesus they would not do the things recorded as being evil unless in disobedience against Christ's words. If the Christian acts against the culture this is also because it is taught by Jesus Christ (for example, keeping away from sexual conduct outside of marriage, a thing progressively thought of as narrow and sheltered).

So, does God still speak to people, generally through a pricking of conscience and through his written word. If directly then not in contradiction to the teachings of Christ. Therefore if a Christian is using fancy language to say they are doing the will of God yet dis-obey the teachings of Christ they are disobedient and not walking according to the Christian faith. As it is written, "... do not imitate evil but imitate good. Whoever does good is from God; whoever does evil has not seen God." (3 John 1:11)